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Wolverhamton 11.10.2014:
The Tapeta surface was again riding super quick at
+0.36s/f
(standard to fast).
There were two notable performances,
Random
in the first (5.50) making his handicap début suddenly improved
23lbs
to take this, he is in the declarations to run on the 17th.
In the 6.50
Encore D’or
ran away with the 1st Div of the 2yo maiden to set the top speed figure at the meeting of
69
(no WFA), it looks like
Ralph Beckett
has a pattern horse on his hands
The horse I mentioned earlier
Dazeen
is entered in at Wolverhampton next Friday , it’s simply a case of striking while the iron is hot.
1st meeting = -0.16s/f (standard)
2nd meeting = +0.02s/f (standard)
3nd meeting = +0.09s/f (standard)
4th Meeting = +0.18s/f (standard to fast)
5th Metting = +0.13s/f (standard)
6th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
7th Meeting = +0.17s/f (standard to fast)
8th Meeting = +0.18s/f (standard to fast)
9th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
10th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
11th Meeting = +0.28s/f (standard to fast)
12th Meeting = +0.23s/f (standard to fast)
13th Meeting = +0.21s/f (standard to fast)
14th Meeting = +0.23s/f (standard to fast)
15th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
16th Meeting = +0.24s/f (standard to fast)
17th Meeting = +0.16s/f (standard)
18th Meeting = +0.38s/f (standard to fast)
19th Meeting = +0.36s/f (standard to fast)AW going allowance table:
Fast +0.50s/f
Stand/Fast +0.18s/f to +0.40s/f
Standard -0.15s/f to +0.15s/f
Stand/Slow -0.48s/f to -0.18s/f
Slow -0.70s/f to -0.50s/fMike.
Blues Bros, How did you get a faster figure for Random than Encore D’Or? The time for Random was 73.77 & EncoreD’or was 73.24.
I thought some places had stopped using Tapeta? I did wonder about taking out shares in it
when it was first mentioned.
Santa Anita tried Tapeta for the Breeders Cup in 2008 and 2009. Europeans had their best results and Santa Anita promptly reverted to dirt with US breeders complaining the Tapeta had upended their bloodlines.
(will be interesting to see what happens this year now that a lower-tier but enterprising HK trainer has taken a good but not great horse – Rich Tapestry – from the Sha Tin dirt training track to a US dirt Group 1 win – trainer’s first G1 anywhere and HK’s first in the US. though the horse is by Holy Roman Emperor and a Dermot Weld cast-off after not fulfilling middle-distance expectations.)
Meydan was built with Tapeta, opening March 2010. US horses stayed away, and it too has now been torn up in favour of dirt.
I’m pretty sure they never had Tapeta at Santa Anita. They were initially sold something called CushionTrack but had drainage problems. They brought in an Australian firm who produced another surface called Pro-Ride and added that to the mix, but the local trainers didn’t take to that either after another mauling in the Breeders’ Cup and pretty much forced the track to put dirt back down.
The Tapeta at Meydan wasn’t really Tapeta by the end either, as they had mixed so much extra stuff into it to try to get it to bind in the high temperatures. If you look at past World Cups on YouTube, you can see that it started out as a mid-brown colour and ended up nearly black. It was horrible to even walk on, really sticky and unpleasant, and some (many?) horses just couldn’t act on it at all.
FWIW, I can’t help thinking that the person who sold CushionTrack to Santa Anita was more than a little like the guy who sold the monorail to Springfield
well done Blues brother …a lot of hard work to come up with these numbers …it will be interesting to see how the Tapeta reacts to a cold snap …or indeed 2 / 4 weeks of persistent rain
well done Sir
Blues Bros, How did you get a faster figure for Random than Encore D’Or? The time for Random was 73.77 & EncoreD’or was 73.24.
I didn’t put up a speed figure for
Random
, only his improvement of what he had achieved so far.
Wolverhampton (AW)
11-Oct-14RACE WINNER DIST RATING
05:50 Random 6f61
06:20 Cartmell Cleave 6f
56
06:50 Encore D´Or 6f
69
07:20 Illogical 6f
48
07:50 Lola Montez 1m1½f
46
08:20 Faraajh 7f
56
08:50 Bailiwick 6f
56
09:20 Star Anise 1m4f
49
Random’s runs to get a handicap mark:
11-Oct-14 Wol 6St C6Hc 2K 1/13 (1¾L, Major Muscari9-3) 16/1 Stevie Donohoe
61
09-Sep-14 Red 6GF C5Md 2K 4/7 (4¼L, Foxtrot Pearl9-0) 25/1 Frankie McDonald
38
23-Nov-13 Lin 5St C52yMd 3K 6/8 (3¼L, Flashy Queen8-9) 9/2 Shane Kelly
10
26-Oct-13 Wol 5St C52yMd 2K 4/10 (2L, Maiden Approach9-0) 9/1 Shane Kelly
21
Mike.
I’m pretty sure they never had Tapeta at Santa Anita…..
Quite right – I should have checked the wikipedia page on this, which has a lot of interesting links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic … rse_racing
for Meydan, Sh Hamdan clearly was not happy with it while Michael Dickinson seemed to be predicting back-to-the-future:
http://www.racinguk.com/news/article/26 … ta-surface
then came the announcement:
Wolverhampton 14.10.2014:
Going allowance
+0.24s/f
(standard to fast)
The tapeta was still riding on the quick side, and the best performance on the clock last night was in the 6.30 where I had
Steelriver
running
7lb
above his handicap mark and he should follow up, the favourite
Plucky Dip
was unluckly to have bumped into an improver and should make amends next time.
1st meeting = -0.16s/f (standard)
2nd meeting = +0.02s/f (standard)
3nd meeting = +0.09s/f (standard)
4th Meeting = +0.18s/f (standard to fast)
5th Metting = +0.13s/f (standard)
6th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
7th Meeting = +0.17s/f (standard to fast)
8th Meeting = +0.18s/f (standard to fast)
9th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
10th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
11th Meeting = +0.28s/f (standard to fast)
12th Meeting = +0.23s/f (standard to fast)
13th Meeting = +0.21s/f (standard to fast)
14th Meeting = +0.23s/f (standard to fast)
15th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
16th Meeting = +0.24s/f (standard to fast)
17th Meeting = +0.16s/f (standard)
18th Meeting = +0.38s/f (standard to fast)
19th Meeting = +0.36s/f (standard to fast)
20th Meeting = +0.24s/f (standard to fast)AW going allowance table:
Fast +0.50s/f
Stand/Fast +0.18s/f to +0.40s/f
Standard -0.15s/f to +0.15s/f
Stand/Slow -0.48s/f to -0.18s/f
Slow -0.70s/f to -0.50s/fMike.
I’m still getting all on the Tapeta surface faster, except the 2m119y distance (203.55 to 201.52 seconds, from three runs) They are settling down though.
Going coefficients are still almost identical.
The old Wolverhampton poly track figuers are WOLVHMPTN(PT). The new Tapeta are WOLVHMPTN(AW)
http://www.racingsense.com/standardtimes.htm
http://www.racingsense.com/standardtimes.csvI’ve been reading some old Smartsig issues – Mick Johnson, are you the self-same SOLIDUS Mick Jonson as a matter of interest?
Wolverhampton 16.10.2014:
Going allowance
+0.28s/f
(standard to fast)
When it came to working out the going allowance for last nights meeting, there was a major issue, the majority of the races were run at a crawl on a quick surface.
The problem you have here, if you don’t make the correct adjustments, you end up giving the 2yo’s speed figures that are
15lb
higher than their current ability.
Wolverhampton (AW)
16-Oct-14RACE WINNER DIST RATING
05:30 Frognal Bear 6f49
06:00 Geological 6f
61
06:30 Elysian Prince 1m½f
37
07:00 Black Granite 1m½f
52
07:30 Dutch Art Dealer 7f
66
08:00 Silver Rainbow 7f
39
08:30 Gimme Five 2m½f
34
Looking at the racing tonight, in the 9.20 we have two of the horses that I put forward running,
Random
shouldn’t have the class to beat
Dazeen
.
1st meeting = -0.16s/f (standard)
2nd meeting = +0.02s/f (standard)
3nd meeting = +0.09s/f (standard)
4th Meeting = +0.18s/f (standard to fast)
5th Metting = +0.13s/f (standard)
6th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
7th Meeting = +0.17s/f (standard to fast)
8th Meeting = +0.18s/f (standard to fast)
9th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
10th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
11th Meeting = +0.28s/f (standard to fast)
12th Meeting = +0.23s/f (standard to fast)
13th Meeting = +0.21s/f (standard to fast)
14th Meeting = +0.23s/f (standard to fast)
15th Meeting = +0.13s/f (standard)
16th Meeting = +0.24s/f (standard to fast)
17th Meeting = +0.16s/f (standard)
18th Meeting = +0.38s/f (standard to fast)
19th Meeting = +0.36s/f (standard to fast)
20th Meeting = +0.24s/f (standard to fast)
21th Meeting = +0.28s/f (standard to fast)AW going allowance table:
Fast +0.50s/f
Stand/Fast +0.18s/f to +0.40s/f
Standard -0.15s/f to +0.15s/f
Stand/Slow -0.48s/f to -0.18s/f
Slow -0.70s/f to -0.50s/fSectionals for last night show three races were run to even or near even pace. At the two furlong marker the figures would be 0.00 seconds for even pace. A minus figure is a slower than even pace, a + figure is faster than even pace.
-1.22 FROGNAL BEAR
+0.52 GEOLOGICAL
-2.33 ELSYIAN PRINCE
+0.13 BLACK GRANITE
-0.63 DUTCH ART DEALER
-2.52 SILVER RAINBOWThat’s me!
I wrote my program, under Davey’s direction, in 1994 in DOS and converted to Windows as soon as it arrived. We typed the data in manually in those days. An hour and a half, every day!
When Davey disappeared to Ireland, one of my customers helped find a source for the results and declarations data and have updated it with each version of Windows since.
I had The Solidus book reprinted a few years ago. I contacted the printers in Ipswich. They hadn’t been paid for the plates and the printing and wouldn’t let me have them! I scanned mine and had it printed locally.
All the coefficients in the book are way out of date now but the general method is sound.Any thoughts on the surface lately, Blues Brother.
My stats and data are very confused by this Tapeta so far.
Any thoughts on the surface lately, Blues Brother.
My stats and data are very confused by this Tapeta so far.
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-r … =3&t=96465
Last night’s meeting I had the going allowance at
+0.46s/f
(standard to fast).
The tapeta surface is considerably quicker than the original polytrack
surface before they mixed it in together with Fibresand to help cure the kickback, which we now know didn’t work, all it did was slow the surface down.The tapeta surface at
Wolverhampton
is the fastest AW surface in the British Isles including
Dundalk
.
The confusing thing about the tapeta surface, when they had it down at
Meydan
it always rode around
-0.05s/f
(standard), possibly the depth was different.
Mike.
There’s one particular trip which causes me problems using the RP Standard Times…..it’s the 16.5 furlong trip which thankfully they don’t race over very often
On 6th December I had a 56 rated horse running a raw figure of 105 which was ridiculous……he’d be a Listed horse on that reckoning !
I then noticed that the new standard time for that trip was 2 seconds slower than the standard time for the old surface. And as the new surface is quicker horses were slamming the new standard time……which if anything should be 2 seconds faster than the previous time not 2 seconds slower !
The racing post even noted it……
"A moderate contest but a strong pace saw another track record go, the time significantly faster than the 11 previous races at this distance on the Tapeta and also a good bit quicker than any horse managed on the previous surface."
I assume it will work itself out as they refine the times with more racing…….
@ Slowly Away
Going allowance
+0.46s/f
(standard to fast)
Wolverhampton (AW)
06-Dec-14
06:15 Smokethatthunders 7f46
06:45 Portamento 5f
61
07:15 Cilento 7f
40
07:45 Dukes Den 2m½f
67
08:15 Entihaa 1m6f
77
08:45 Steel Stockholder 1m½f
35
09:15 Urban Castle 1m4f
31
In my notes I had
Dukes Den
down as the top plot horse seen out
on the Tapeta so far.About the new
Wolverhampton
tapeta tandard times, I have mentioned this to Dave Edwards already.
Forget about the speed of the tapeta,
Deauville
polytrack in riding up around the
+0.60s/f
mark, it went off my scale
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