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What a load of rubbish Gamble! We all know what the poll meant, we are not stupid. If people werent going to vote because they dont like polls why would they vote in this one??????
The names are on this thread. We all know who they are.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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Jonibake, we are indeed not stupid – which is why I for one answered the poll question honestly, rather than interpreting it to mean something it didn’t (as you would have had me do).
If the question were to be set again, Gamble’s wording would be perfect. Your tone, with due respect, is utterly misplaced, your sentiments unpleasant.
I know where you live Pinza!!!
Sorry mate – didnt mean to sound unpleasant. Was just rather taken aback at the amount of anti-AP sentiment on a racing forum. Wasnt expecting it at all.
Also was wondering why people found voting on SPOTY beneath them but were happy to vote on this. Fair point no?
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Totally wrong
to condemn the no voters.Totally right to condemn them Gamble!
Had this been a forum for baking cakes, knitting scarves or even making things from clay,fair enough! this is a Racing forum full of knowledgeable contributors who should be supporting their own,if you think i would vote for Dimity Dewdrops Angel cakes on a forum for fly fishing you are a mile out!- Total Posts 17716
Was just rather taken aback at the amount of anti-AP sentiment on a racing forum. Wasnt expecting it at all.
Also was wondering why people found voting on SPOTY beneath them but were happy to vote on this. Fair point no?
First, I don’t think there was much anti-AP sentiment at all. Quite the reverse, as several of those of us who announced that we would not be voting made a point of wishing him well personally. He was clearly very pleased to win, and that’s pleasant to see.
The considerable level of indifference to the programme and the Award itself rather points to the independent (or maverick) mind set of many racing fans, and I’m surprised that you were surprised by that.
Voting within a Forum to which one contributes, in a small community of like-minded people, and where one vote makes a reasonable impact, is a very different matter.
To be serious for a moment, this vox-pop referendum trend is the modern British equivalent of Marie Antoinette’s cake; and it represents a danger to the efficacy of government within a constitutional democracy.
I don’t consider anything is "beneath me". But we’ve reached a point where almost more people are rumoured to be voting on the outcome of
Strictly Come Dancing
than vote in the General Election – though the BBC seems to keep the actual numbers secret, for some reason – and I for one feel this is a worry.
Who’s to say there aren’t posters on here who are just as passionate about golf, cycling, darts etc?
People should vote for who they think should win and not on the basis of following a particular sport – I happen to think that what Mark Cavendish achieved in 2010 was greater than what AP achieves but like many others I don’t vote in what are effectively PR driven popularity contests.
Brilliant campaign by the RP and the racing community – no doubt they complained when there was a similar campaign behind Zara Phillips a few years ago.
"First, I don’t think there was much anti-AP sentiment at all."
I would beg to differ. Read the thread again.
"Voting within a Forum to which one contributes, in a small community of like-minded people, and where one vote makes a reasonable impact, is a very different matter."
Sorry but dont see this at all. Not sure we are particularly "like-minded" either based on this.
"To be serious for a moment, this vox-pop referendum trend is the modern British equivalent of Marie Antoinette’s cake; and it represents a danger to the efficacy of government within a constitutional democracy.
I don’t consider anything is "beneath me". But we’ve reached a point where almost more people are rumoured to be voting on the outcome of
Strictly Come Dancing
than vote in the General Election – though the BBC seems to keep the actual numbers secret, for some reason – and I for one feel this is a worry."
Couldnt agree more although wouldnt for a second put this award, that has been going since 1954 and is an esteemed award (look at all those present), in the same category as Strrictly or X Factor.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
– I happen to think that what Mark Cavendish achieved in 2010 was greater than what AP achieves
And what did Mark Cavendish achieve 10 and 15 years ago Irish? Sweet fanny adams! You have a short memory!
By the way i do play Golf and have the utmost respect for both Lee Westwood and Graham Mcdowell but neither could lace AP McCoys boots on what they have achieved in their sport! In golf Majors are everything and they have one between them!Sports Personality Of The Year gives the award away a bit TAPK
It’s for what was achieved this year not what they did 12-15 years ago or what they’ll do in 2011 but for what they achieved in 2010.
There’s a reason we also have a Lifetime Achievement Award and as I’ve stated elsewhere I feel AP should be given this at some point (probably closer to the end of his career in 4 or 5 years time)
Agree that both McDowell and Westwood haven’t accomplished as much as McCoy in 2010 – that said they’ve been playing second fiddle to the best young golfer Europe’s produced in years
I sent a messenger out
to re-read the thread.His report up to the time of the result
and just reviewing the comments17 positive
11 negative
4 neutral postingsJockeys risk injuries and McCoy’s
thinly seved cake hole misses
its evening meal three nights a week.Golfers often snack between holes
and risk being struck by lightningI sent a messenger out
to re-read the thread.His report up to the time of the result
and just reviewing the comments17 positive
11 negative
4 neutral postingsJockeys risk injuries and McCoy’s
thinly seved cake hole misses
its evening meal three nights a week.Golfers often snack between holes
and risk being struck by lightningWhen I used to ride I fell off frequently but it never hurt as much as the time I was smacked in the ar*e by a golf ball. Mind you the guy who played the shot was worse off than me as it ended up in an unplayable lie.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
I sent a messenger out
to re-read the thread.His report up to the time of the result
and just reviewing the comments17 positive
11 negative
4 neutral postingsJockeys risk injuries and McCoy’s
thinly seved cake hole misses
its evening meal three nights a week.Golfers often snack between holes
and risk being struck by lightningWhen I used to ride I fell off frequently but it never hurt as much as the time I was smacked in the ar*e by a golf ball. Mind you the guy who played the shot was worse off than me as it ended up in an unplayable lie.
As my friend used to tell me on an all too regular basis "falling is just a more fun way of getting off a horse"
"To be serious for a moment, this vox-pop referendum trend is the modern British equivalent of Marie Antoinette’s cake; and it represents a danger to the efficacy of government within a constitutional democracy."
Excuse my ignorance Pinza but what do you mean by this cake? Are you referring to the "let them eat cake" quote that she was supposed to have said? Sorry but I just googled "Marie Antoinette cake" and thats all it came up with.
As you can tell I am pretty bored without racing on the TV so wondered if you could enlighten me. If you have the time and inclination of course!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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You have the reference precisely. Queen Marie Antoinette (bless her) meant well, but had no idea whatsoever of what life was like for the masses. She was genuinely shocked when told that they didn’t have bread to eat, and suggested cake (an aristocratic luxury) as a substitute, in all innocence.
The moral is that innocence can be as lethal as malice; and that these "innocent" ("harmless", "bit of fun") polls and referendums have increasingly become a sop, intended to reduce popular discontent at our perceived lack of voice in the nation’s affairs, without in fact changing anything, or reflecting anything significant.
So our TV polls and votes are the modern equivalent of the French Queen’s cake – and equally ineffective and unrealistic. Let’s hope that guillotines aren’t in the air for our leaders too.
Thanks a lot Pinza! Very interesting. I agree that last nights result won’t really change anything but I, at least, felt that it was significant. If only because it’s nice to see a truly great sportsman receive recognition from outside of his sport. (even if we all voted for him 20 times each and no one else really had a cat in hells chance of winning!)
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Totally agree with the pincer,
and might add that all governments
whether democracy or autocracy
have and always will promote
people rearing –
to swell the public purse
and fill up the forces.The National Lottery like in Huxley’s
world drips the balm of false hope
and lobotomises the populace.
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