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  • #1497885
    TongeTonge
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    Jess Samy posted a photo of him on the gallops on Twitter on 15th August & he has an entry in the Irish St Leger. Hopefully we’ll see him soon

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    From the Racing Post on 6th July 2020:

    “Last year’s St Leger winner Logician has recently resumed cantering in Newmarket with an autumn campaign planned, trainer John Gosden has confirmed.

    The unbeaten son of Frankel is returning from a lengthy spell on the sidelines having spent part of last winter at Newmarket Equine Hospital, where he was treated for the potentially life-threatening condition peritonitis.

    The four-year-old is thought to have fully recovered from the condition, which affects the intestines, but has taken longer than anticipated to get back into full training.

    Gosden said: “Logician is now back cantering on Warren Hill and hopefully he’ll be out in the autumn. He seems to be recovered from his peritonitis problem and hopefully he can make up for lost time later this year.”

    The Racing Post still has Logician as an entrant in the Irish St Leger on Logician’s own page under the “Entries” tab, but if you click on the racename link to show the list of all entrants in the race, Logician is not there. It is a similar story at Timeform, who initially had Logician among the enties, but he is now missing from their list.

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    A massive week for Frankel’s progeny beckons as some of his best sons and daughters line up at Donny for what looks a great week of racing.

    I’m not going to lie – this has been a desperately disappointing season for us Frankel fans. The 3-year olds, having promised so much, have been distinctly average with Quadrilateral and Frankly Darling in particular flattering to deceive. Highest Ground has probably been the best of a bad bunch, and at least his bubble hasn’t completely burst, but Sir Michael has taken his patient approach to the extreme and we’ve only seen him twice!

    The older horses have been just as poor with Elarqam’s form faltering and most of the others proving to be just ordinary and there has been no decent performer coming from France apart from his consistent stayer Call The Wind. We head towards the Arc with no Frankel’s in contention.

    I think the big problem, which has become more evident as time has passed, is that Frankel’s don’t have a lot of speed. As I’ve said on here many times before, they tend to be gallopers rather than horses who have a real change of gear or turn of foot. We saw that most obviously in Cracksman who would grind his rivals into the ground on that slower ground but who couldn’t quite cope at the top level when the ground was quicker.

    It is very rare to see a Frankel win a race off a slow gallop which is why his progeny don’t have much success in France where most jockeys and trainers haven’t woken up to the fact that a slow pace won’t suit their Frankel’s. The criminal riding of the relentless galloper Bonne Idee has been the best example but there have been plenty of others. Quite simply a Frankel miler has no chance against a decent Kingman, Dubawi or Galileo – they just don’t have the speed.

    If you think about it, dad himself was the same. The only race they ever crawled in was the Royal Lodge and look what happened then – Tom set sail before the home bend. Sir Henry was always insistent that Frankel have a decent pace to utilise that massive stride and incredible ability to gallop at full speed for longer than any other horse in history hence the pacemakers. I believe Frankel has passed this trait down but it is not used to its advantage nearly enough. If only Sir Henry was still with us – I think you would see his Frankel’s race very differently.

    In mitigation, this 3-year old crop was the smallest in number since he began and this year’s much larger 2-year-old crop show lots of promise with several fillies already at the top of the market for next year’s classic’s, but even so, it is more likely to be those middle-distance classics where we will see them really shine.

    So back to this week and we will be seeing some of those promising 2-year-olds like Zabeel Queen line up at Donny. Alpinista will look to build on her promise in the Park Hill and, probably most importantly, Logician will finally make his seasonal debut. The success of the remainder of the season probably falls on his shoulders. I’ll be crossing my fingers!

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    Yep 2020 has been disappointing.

    Did I see a Frankel winning a Group sprint in France recently ? Cannot recall the name.

    #1500776
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    Yes Devonian. It was a filly called Kalahara. She could be nice. Lovely to see Logician win yesterday. Not a bad week so far but disappointed to see Zabeel Queen beaten..

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

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    Well i have to agree with Joni here, while Frankel has reached the fastest amount of Group winners in history according to Juddmonte and Queen Daeneyrs winning in France a couple of days ago it still has been a bad season for him.
    It was great to Logician back on a racecourse again, John Gosden saw him in the veterinary hospital and said he did not expect to see him ever again it was that bad.
    There are only a couple of months left and there are still a lot of 2yo’s to make an appearance. This race had 4 Frankel’s in.

    All comers, all ground, all beaten

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    Four good winners for Frankel today.
    Born A King
    Light Refrain
    Valyrian Steel
    Taqareer :good:

    All comers, all ground, all beaten

    #1503446
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    Another 4 winners

    Elarqam (Frankel x Attraction) 5yo

    Side Shot (Frankel x Photographic) 2yo

    Utile (Frankel x Straight Thinking) 3yo

    Mehnan (Frankel x Asheerah) 2yo

    :good: :good: :good: :good:

    All comers, all ground, all beaten

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    Looks like a few smart 2 year olds this year Chaos. Mind you, we thought that last year!

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    Finally Mirage Dancer gets his Group 1! Hungry Heart & Finche both narrowly beaten (2nd & 3rd respectively) in Group 1s today too

    #1505869
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    Big two year old races largely over and Logician flopping.

    Not a good September and October for our boy

    #1506147
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    It was nice to see Martin Harley look after him when he new all was not well, this was the post race comment after.

    Took keen hold, tracked winner, switched to near side 4f out, ridden and switched left over 2f out, hung right and weakened quickly over 1f out, eased and lost third inside final 110yds (jockey said colt hung right-handed under pressure which resulted in him being unable ride out the colt in the closing stages; vet said a post-race examination of the colt during routine testing failed to reveal any abnormalities).

    It would not surprise me if they retire him.

    All comers, all ground, all beaten

    #1506667
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    Agreed, good jockeyship after the problems the colt has had.

    The Gosden stable has been misfiring recently too

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