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Heros Collonges, Neptune Collonges, Uranus Collonges.
What is a Collonges please?
(Edited by Smithy at 11:47 am on Jan. 8, 2007)
France<br>Collonges is the name or part of the name of several communes in France:
Collonges, in the Ain département <br>Collonges-au-Mont-d’Or, in the Rhône département <br>Collonges-la-Rouge, in the Corrèze département <br>Collonges-lès-Bévy, in the Côte-d’Or département <br>Collonges-lès-Premières, in the Côte-d’Or département <br>Collonges-sous-Salève, in the Haute-Savoie département <br>
The name of several places in France and Switzerland
Hello,
Are you sure it ain’t a form of internal cleansing via Tube, Funnel and a warm liquid ??:cheesy:
regards,
doyley
Yes, I realised after I typed it that I should have just Googled it.
Part two of the question…………what relevance does it have to horses and why does it appear in their names.
Pluto Lancashire doesn’t have quite the same ring as Neptune Collonges.
I’m presuming d’Estruval and d’Airy are similar then, only genetive, e.g. "Ofarel of the Airy province / community / area (delete as applicable)"?
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Smithy
I think it is untranslatable – a bit like the use of our ‘Much’ before some village names.
As these tend to be hilly areas, I would guess at a b*****d
isation of ‘col longue’, col being a sort of mountain head or hillock.As for it’s use in racing names, heaven knows. Flambee and fricasee are more common with the French and horses.:o
Mike
….."les Collonges étaient des terres appartenant aux seigneurs exploitées par des Colons, fermiers libres "
…a bit like "Compton" dervies from Old English cumb ‘short, straight valley’ + tun ‘enclosure’, ‘settlement’
and just as Erik Penser went down the alphabet for the initial letter of the accompanying name, so too it seems have the breeders G A E C Delorme Freres to comply with French rules, which as we know say:
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Article 9 (c):
Les règlements de stud-book peuvent fixer des règles complémentaires pour l’attribution et les changements de noms des équidés inscrits.
En l’absence de règles spécifiques, le nom des équidés ayant des origines certifiées nés la même année commence par la même lettre attribuée année après année dans l’ordre alphabétique en excluant les lettres W, X, Y et Z. La lettre de l’année 2002 est O.
Lorsque le règlement du livre ou du stud-book le prévoit, il peut être modifié sur demande du propriétaire et, le cas échéant, avec l’accord du naisseur, dans la mesure où l’animal concerné n’a pas encore reproduit ni participé àdes courses ou des compétitions équestres officielles. <br><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
http://www.le-site-cheval.com/identific … gines.html
Thus Neptune is from 2001, while Hussard and Heros are both six letters earlier from 1995, while Castille (Neptune’s mum) is from 1990 and Gitane (Neptune’s grandmother) is from 1972 .
Presumably there was an impressive sire named Collonges some way back down the line to have spawned such an ongoing dynasty – like those greyhound names which still include the word "Slippy" or "Droopy".
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wit<br>
(Edited by wit at 3:31 pm on Jan. 8, 2007)
I’m fascinated by those plucky underdogs, the Des Mottes gang (Nippy, Oracle, and Mambo Des Mottes). Does anyone know what ‘Des Mottes’ means; or, more accurately, the question should probably be, can anyone find out? because I’ve tried searching on Google, etc, but, alas, the mystery remains unsolved
The alphabet letter per year rule does not apply to thoroughbreds but more to the AQPS societies such as Selle Francais and Anglo Arabs.  It is also breeders from these societies that tend to use a common word in all their horses names – the d’Estruvals and Collonges are non-TBs.  I’d always assumed it was based on the location of the stud or the breeders (all the d’Estruvals I know of were bred by Bernard Le Gentil whose family bought the Chateau d’Estruval a Vieil-Hesdin in 1880).  It always reminds me of Crufts somehow.
I would guess des Mottes comes from Ile des Mottes, again another area of France, but I don’t really know.
"motte" is old french for a mound with a ditch  – as in the "motte and bailey castle" of the schoolroom.
the Poirier family seem to have the association with those horses.
best regards
wit
Quote: from wit on 5:28 pm on Jan. 8, 2007[br]"motte" is old french for a mound with a ditch
…and ‘mott’ is a colloquial term up north for the female private parts
no idea why I was reminded of that…
Slightly off the subject, but still talking of horse’s names, there’s one that particularly intrigues me at the moment; "Some Timbering" WHY?
Heres one or you lot………..Agnes as in Agnes world or Agnes Digital both Japanese. Are they related or in the same owenership Or is Agnes a popular name in Japan :biggrin:
SHL
The name Agnes translates phonetically to Japanese as agunesu and means "holy".   ÂÂÂ
It became a very famous name in Japan in 1973 when a Sister Agnes was reported to have experienced in Akita a visitation by Mary, Mother of God in basically a Japanese re-run of events at Lourdes and Fatima:
http://www.pdtsigns.com/akita.html<br>http://www.ladyofallnations.org/akita.htm
Events continued for nine years and were declared miraculous in 1984.
<br>Now I’ve no basis to make any link at all between those events and the subsequent naming of the Agnes horses.
<br>……but there is a curious coincidence that – if only there were any facts to support it – might have made for a fascinating link:
The Agnes horses were all bred or owned by the folk behind Shadai Farm………..and "Shadai" is a name for God in the Old Testament (eg Exodus Ch 6 v3).
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