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At Southwell, quite frequently, apparently….
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … /standard/
Two, yes, two (2) horses have won at the Rolleston venue this week which have been declared in the racecard as colts, when they were in fact geldings!
I read this story and realised I had the dubious pleasure of backing the second in both races (win only of course….)
Brings a whole new meaning to the expression "doing your bol*ocks" I guess….
Someone in Australia told me recently of a horse that was found to be a hermaphrodite; don’t know what that would have been put down as on the racecard. [mind you it might have been a case of an Aussie sense of humour; I can be a bit guillable at times].
You are right Moehat – we Aussies do have a wonderful sense of humour, but not this time:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/09/14/1252780269945.html
The American pacers Martha Maxine and Arizona Helen (who are related) were originally listed as fillies and competed in filly & mare races, but after excess testosterone was found in their systems, examinations revealed that they were in fact "male psuedohermaphrodites", and due to the risk of cancer they were both "gelded" and now must compete in open races. Arizona Helen is unfortunately not doing so well against the boys and is in lower-level claimers, but Martha Maxine, who was at the top of her division and a multiple stakes winner, is contiinuing to do fairly well. Rather interesting, I think.
The American pacers Martha Maxine and Arizona Helen (who are related) were originally listed as fillies and competed in filly & mare races, but after excess testosterone was found in their systems, examinations revealed that they were in fact "male psuedohermaphrodites", and due to the risk of cancer they were both "gelded" and now must compete in open races. Arizona Helen is unfortunately not doing so well against the boys and is in lower-level claimers, but Martha Maxine, who was at the top of her division and a multiple stakes winner, is contiinuing to do fairly well. Rather interesting, I think.
Woah!
Zenyatta’s now retired huh? hmmmmm.
Always thought her name was a bit unisex!
(((desperately tries to think of some jibe linking this story to Caster Semenya: fails)))
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The Southwell racecards carried on the BHA site make for great works of fiction. Recently I have spotted weights up to 6lb wrong from that actually carried, jockeys listed that weren’t within a 100 mile radius of the place, horses not of the sex listed, flag of convenience trainers and made up owners.
Lord alone knows what other snakes lurk in the grass. This year I’ve seen going stick reports that have been quite obvious typos and distances beaten clearly read off the wrong conversion chart at other tracks.
I looked into verifying the legitimacy of the official form book by comparing with the raw data and racetech quoted me a six figure sum to send me some jpegs of photo finishes!
What is so hard about producing an online racecard you can trust and why are photo finish prints basically unavailable?
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Someone in Australia told me recently of a horse that was found to be a hermaphrodite; don’t know what that would have been put down as on the racecard. [mind you it might have been a case of an Aussie sense of humour; I can be a bit guillable at times].
I saw that on a website Mo, but best you keep away as they are terrible for malware and spyware
Read the article. What Am I is the horse he mentioned [should have remembered that name! So Kev was telling the truth].Thought that he had, perhaps, got his facts mixed up and the horse was a rig.
…why are photo finish prints basically unavailable?
As answered previously.
https://theracingforum.co.uk/horse-racing-forum/horse-racing/photo-finish-strips-t80165.html
Thanks Paul.
Another problem with identifying geldings punters should be aware of is that most publicly available databases I know use a single constant value for sex. So when they update they update for all past races that horse has run in – it is impossible to tell when in the past it used to be an entire without keeping archived mirrors of the database.
…as is also the case for other sundry details, such as amateurs that become conditionals and duly appear (inaccurately) without the "Mr" or "Miss" prefixes in back runs of the Foxhunters and the like.
I presume the workaround would be for a separate profile to be created for jockey X the amateur, and jockey X the non-amateur (or indeed horse Y the entire, and horse Y the gelding), but then of course the ability to interrogate the Post database for meaningful career stats, etc. is compromised.
Not an easy one to remedy to total satisfaction, I fear.
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There are many horses that have been wrongly sexed over the years in the Racing Post, I can recall many interviews where the trainer has stated the horse had been gelded months previously but they still appeared as entires in the Post, what about the ones who didn’t give an interview?
I always wondered all the way through Jamaican Flight’s illustrious career whether he was an entire throughout as listed in the RP maybe he was and he’s still listed as a horse as a 16yo on the RP website. I might give the trainer a ring sometime.
Even when they do know, why does nothing appear on the signposts page with regards something that is far important than many things that are on there.- Total Posts 17716
i thik a rig is a horse that wasnt gelded properly?
one testicle remains so hes usualy got more of a point to prove than a colt.
ive herd rigs are very unprodictible?A rig is a male horse who has one testicle that has not descended properly, with the other being normal.
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