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I placed a bet on Walkon @ 8/1 for the Totesport on the day before the original day of race.
It was classed as an ANTE-POST bet.
However, it was a "non-runner no bet" ante-post bet.
Corals tell me because of the "abandonment" of Newbury on the 12th Feb, ALL "non-runner no bets" are counted as "non-runners" and are VOID.
Where as all ante-post bets who were NOT "non-runner no bets" are NOT classed as a non-runner, so go on to tomorrow’s race.
Under normal rules, if an ante-post bet is a non-runner then a punter loses his bet. So it appears Corals are counting some bets as non-runners and some not as non-runners.
Value Is EverythingWhat date was the bet placed? If it was placed once the final decs were known, it is reasonable to expect the bet to be void with the race reverting to 5-day stage.
If the bet was placed prior to the declaration stage, it should stand, which as far as I know, is the general rule that had been applied.
I placed a bet on Walkon @ 8/1 for the Totesport on the day before the original day of race.
It was classed as an ANTE-POST bet.
However, it was a "non-runner no bet" ante-post bet.
Why was a bet placed the day before the race classed as ante-post? Final decs were on the Thursday so it would have been day of the race prices on the Friday.
From the edit to your post, it clearly wasn’t an ante-post bet. Sorry ginge but looks right decision to me.
When I phoned them I expected it to be a non-runner, but they told me it WAS an ante-post bet, because it was not day of race. But WAS a non-runner no bet.
The bet was placed on the friday morning.
I take it then, they have got it wrong, and it was NOT an "ante-post bet"?
Value Is EverythingJust to try and clear this up.
I had a "non-runner no bet" bet with Corals on Walkon for the Totesport Trophy @ 8/1 on the morning of the Friday 11th Feb. When all the final decs were known, the day before the original race was supposed to be run .
Then when the race was abandoned (postponed) I rang to find out whether my bet was still alive, and was told it was VOID. Stake refunded.
Yet I placed two "non runner no bets" on the Friday 4th Feb on the Irish Hennessey, due to be run on the 6th Feb. One with Stan James on The Listener @ 14/1. The other with Bet 365 on Money Trix @ 8/1. Both struck when the final decs were known.
Racing was abandoned (postponed) due to a watterlogged track.
Yet I was still on The Listener with Stan James! But the bet on Money Trix with Bet 365 was VOID!So beware! Bookmakers have different rules.
If you had a "non-runner no bet" on Kempes or Recession Proof with Stan James for the original Irish Hennessey / Totesport, you are celebrating. Very sorry if it was with Corals or Bet 365.
Doesn’t this rule need to be cleared up and made universal? So that we know where we stand!
Value Is EverythingIt is universal, all day of the race bets should be void. Frankly Stan James sound clueless unless they can’t be bothered, someone else on here had a similar problem with them last week and when they queried it with them they closed their account, can’t find the post, it was someone beginning with M
I think.Why don’t you do yourself a favour and don’t bet with James?
I’d agree with Yeats – bookmakers often don’t know their own rules at settlement level. When I worked as operations manager at Ladbrokes, I used to field regular calls from area managers trying to argue for NOT refunding stakes to customers who had backed ballotted out horses, for example.
Thanks guys, I was surprised myself there seemed different rules between bookmakers.
I did call Stan James and spoke to their "Customer Services" department. Will have another go tomorrow. Cheers.
Value Is EverythingJust to try and clear this up.
I had a "non-runner no bet" bet with Corals on Walkon for the Totesport Trophy @ 8/1 on the morning of Friday 11th Feb at
11.52
. When all the final decs were known, the day before the original race was supposed to be run .
Then when the race was abandoned (postponed) I rang to find out whether my bet was still alive, and was told it was VOID. Stake refunded.
Yet I placed two "non runner no bets" on the Friday 4th Feb on the Irish Hennessey, due to be run on the 6th Feb. One with Stan James on The Listener @ 14/1 at
13.19
. The other with Bet 365 on Money Trix @ 8/1 at
13.24
. Both struck when the final decs were known.
Racing was abandoned (postponed) due to a watterlogged track.
Yet I was still on The Listener with Stan James! But the bet on Money Trix with Bet 365 was VOID!So beware! Bookmakers seem to have different rules.
Now put in times of the three bets.
Value Is EverythingWhat a problem it is to get the right result!
Apologies to Corals, who this thread was originally aimed at. I knew Stan James had kept my bet going under almost identical conditions, and presumed it was Corals who were in the wrong. It was not.I called Stan James this morning to say the bet I had with them on 4th Feb was struck after the final declarations were known and it should be classed as a "day of race" bet and not "ante-post". So I should get my money back.
Yet was told the market I placed my bet was for the 12th Feb, ie it was an ante-post bet. They claimed the market had been reformed at 11:54 on 4th Feb because "the racing on Sunday 6th Feb had already been abandoned"!
So I looked up Leopardstown Racecourse on the internet, and found an old news item dated 5th Feb saying there "will be an inspection at 7:30 tomorrow" (Feb6th) to see if the meeting can go ahead.
Which means my bet was NOT for the 12th Feb as Stan James claimed, and WAS for the 6th Feb as I’d indicated to them earlier. So I called them back.
There was no opology. All I got was, they still say they are in the right here. They say it will take them a long time to check this out so to save everyones time and effort; are prepared, as a
good will gesture to ME
, to refund my stake.
Well hello! It takes NO time to check Leopardstown Racecourse website. I got the impression they were not going to check to see if they need to refund anyone else!
So basically,
If you had a bet with Stan James on 4th Feb (after 11:54) or 5th Feb for the Irish Hennessey, please contact themfor a refund
. Any bet before those dates normal ante-post rules apply.
Value Is EverythingWhy don’t you do yourself a favour and don’t bet with James?
Tried to place my first bet since this episode tonight.
My telephone account has been closed.I have "been backing too many winners".
Value Is Everything
Edit, Sorry, Ginger, I think I read your post wrong.
I think.
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