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  • #472001
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    He is the "Monsun colt – half brother to Passage of Time and Timepiece, both G1 winners."

    I may be wrong but I thought that he was

    out of

    Passage Of Time.

    You are of course abolutely correct. I apologise for the brain-fade. It is the sort of thing we all do, but especially me, once I have an idea my head, no matter that the correct text is staring me in the face, by brain holds on to the idea that is firmly planted in it. My only comfort is telling myself that we are all brilliant, and all defective, but each in our own way. Thanks for putting me right on this one.

    #472009
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    we are all brilliant, and all defective

    I’d certainly agree with the second half of your assertion.

    As for Retirement Plan himself, both he and the colt with the Gold Cup physique could go to the top this year. It’d certainly be nice to see the standard being hoisted above Warren Place again in 2014.

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    Avatar photoBlessed Martin
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    Seeing the big grey colt Lake Alfred running a nice race yesterday got me thinking is The Might Yar still at Lady C’s?

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    Seeing the big grey colt Lake Alfred running a nice race yesterday got me thinking is The Might Yar still at Lady C’s?

    I think that is the unbeaten son of Teofilo BM. Hopefully he is still there as he has plenty of potential.

    "this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"

    #472139
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    Mighty Yar is listed as still being in training with Lady Cecil for 2014.

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    Thanks Joni and MV :)

    I notice on the Juddmonte Farms facebook page that Lady C has in the last week got more named Juddmonte 2 year olds. Would these be covered in the Horses In Training book as unnamed horses or is the 58 horses increasing?

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    Thanks Joni and MV :)

    I notice on the Juddmonte Farms facebook page that Lady C has in the last week got more named Juddmonte 2 year olds. Would these be covered in the Horses In Training book as unnamed horses or is the 58 horses increasing?

    Destalink (Rail Link – Modesta) and Qualification (Afleet Alex – Dreamt) are in the Horses In Training 2014 list for Lady Cecil, but at the time of printing they were unnamed.

    As for the 58 increasing, it has been established practice for Juddmonte to keep back quite a few two-year-olds from allocation to the trainers until later in the season; possibly for reasons of maturity, injury or illness. As a follower of Sir Henry, I often noticed late season Juddmonte two-year-olds entered in races at the back end of the season who were not listed in Horses In Training. I did a quick sample of the horses listed in the “newly named” Facebook lists where the trainer is named as “Unknown”. None of the ones in the sample appears in this years Horses In Training. I guess they will be allocated later in the year.

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    Mighty Yar is listed as still being in training with Lady Cecil for 2014.

    Mighty Yar along with Retirement Plan have early entries in the Yorkshire Cup

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    Mighty Yar is a horse with a lot of potential.
    I have him in my notebook as greener then an alien, think it is a good idea to go down the cup route with him as the further he goes the further away from the opposition he becomes. :mrgreen:

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    I doubt that Mighty Yar will stay much beyond a mile and a half; in fact, that might be stretching him. Retirement Plan should stay the Yorkshire Cup trip, although he probably won’t see out the extra distance at Royal Ascot.

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    The horse would outstay Forrest Gump. :shock:

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #474117
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    Am I right in thinking that Warren Place has been rather successful under Lady Cecil’s aegis? I suppose 24th isn’t that high. But imagine if she’d been all together unsuccessful, the complaints there’d be! I was surrprised at how well the stable had fared after the great man’s demise. Of course, it would have been a team effort, but the gaffer had to ‘know her onions’.

    There’s a lot of envy at the nepotism in the industry, but as nepotism goes, it’s innocuous and doubtless is often successful. Poor old Joseph O’Brien is on a hiding to nothing. I bet young Joe’s some horseman and as subtle a tactician as his experience would allow – which latter might not be inconsiderable, since he was probably riding horses from junior school.

    It reminds me of a satirical item in a newspaper. A certain public figure disappointed his detractors in the press, so the next byline was ‘So-and-o can’t walk on water.’

    In any case, I think the principals at Ballydoyle are far too hard-headed to have kept him riding their horses in Group 1 races, from sentiment. They didn’t get where they are, to borrow from CJ in the epic of he esteemed Reggie Perrin (who an aunt said I reminded her of). Young Spencer moved on, when it became clear that the inscrutable workings of divine providence saw fit to have him excel elsewhere, instead.

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    Am I right in thinking that Warren Place has been rather successful under Lady Cecil’s aegis? I suppose 24th isn’t that high. But imagine if she’d been all together unsuccessful, the complaints there’d be! I was surrprised at how well the stable had fared after the great man’s demise. Of course, it would have been a team effort, but the gaffer had to ‘know her onions’.

    There’s a lot of envy at the nepotism in the industry, but as nepotism goes, it’s innocuous and doubtless is often successful. Poor old Joseph O’Brien is on a hiding to nothing. I bet young Joe’s some horseman and as subtle a tactician as his experience would allow – which former might not be inconsiderable, since he was probably riding horses from junior school.

    It reminds me of a satirical item in a newspaper. A certain public figure disappointed his detractors in the press, so the next byline was ‘So-and-o can’t walk on water.’

    In any case, I think the principals at Ballydoyle are far too hard-headed to have kept him riding their horses in Group 1 races, from sentiment. They didn’t get where they are, to borrow from CJ in the epic of he esteemed Reggie Perrin (who an aunt said I reminded her of). Young Spencer moved on, when it became clear that the inscrutable workings of divine providence saw fit to have him excel elsewhere, instead.

    I couldn’t agree more with this post. I think that the industry can be very quick to judge. I am looking forward to seeing how Lady Cecil gets on this year. I wouldn’t be making any strong judgements before then. It will be interesting the strength and depths of her 2yo horses this season, as they will not have had the full input of the legend, Sir Henry, himself.

    My prediction is that she will do rather well, she obviously has a very good team around her and must have a great knowledge of training racehorses. It must be difficult for her as she is on a hiding to nothing, if she developed a top class horse, there will always be those on the sidelines saying "Henry would have done a better job" and if she doesn’t produce winners she is written off by people saying she is no good. I hope she has a great season and bags a few Group 1 victories to silence the doubters.

    On the comments about Joseph I also agree, he is no mug. Ballydoyle do not take the sentimental approach and Joseph is a top class horseman who I think is fully deserving of the job. Many can not contemplate the stresses that he must be under, plenty of experienced and world class jockeys struggled to make it work there and although he has his faults he is still there and going strong.

    #474375
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    Hi Young Mike
    You are at it again.Aidan has matured since he used to walk down to the start with Mike Kinane to make sure he followed instructions.Mike Kinane the rider of Sea the Stars no less.Nice that Joseph does not need that close supervision.

    #474376
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    For those who are interested the new website is up and running:

    http://www.warrenplacestables.com

    with a section for horses in training with links to their form and future entries (eg. Mighty Yar has an entry in next Wednesday’s Further Flight Stakes).

    There are also links to a list of all future entries for the stable, a tribute to Sir Henry and Frankel’s own website.

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    I know Juddmonte have James Doyle as their retained jock now but has there been a fall out between Lady C and Tom Queally? I think he’s the only jockey she’s not put up this season!

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    And I gather Frankel’s work rider has now left to join Stoute’s according to the RP today?

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