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[Peruvian Chief]

Was speaking to a mate today about the following quotation by Andre Fabre a few years ago. "The best I have trained, and the best by a distance". He made that quotation about Manduro, which took a few people by suprise.

A few people might turn their noses up at this one, but in peoples opinions whom woujld they nominate on the trainers behalf? Flat only please.

1. Sir M. Stoute
2. Sir H. Cecil
3. A. Fabre
4. S. Bin Suroor
5. R. Hannon
6. Dr. V. O’Brien
7. J. Oxx
8. B. Hills
9. John Gosden
10. R. Charlton
11. D. Weld
12. M. Johnston
13. J. Bolger
14. A. O’Brien

I will begin –

1. Shergar
2. Frankel
3. Manduro
4. Dubai Millenium
5. Canford Cliffs
6. Nijinsky
7. Sea The Stars
8. Haafhd
9. Ravens Pass
10. Three Valleys
11. Refuse to Bend
12. Shamardal
13. Teofilo
14. Hawk Wing

With enough interest, i will keep a tally. Under the likely event there is no interest, i will not! Cheers.

[Bachelors Hall]

Why not. There is a probable bias of age, ignorance and sentimentality on my part but here goes…

1. Sir M. Stoute – Singspeil
2. Sir H. Cecil – Frankel
3. A. Fabre – Pennekamp
4. S. Bin Suroor – Dubai Millennium
5. R. Hannon – Canford Cliffs
6. Dr. V. O’Brien – Alleged
7. J. Oxx – Sinndar
8. B. Hills – Rheingold
9. John Gosden – Oasis Dream
10. R. Charlton – Bated Breath
11. D. Weld – Vintage Crop
12. M. Johnston – Double Trigger
13. J. Bolger – New Approach
14. A. O’Brien – Galileo

[Bachelors Hall]

*duplicate*

[cormack15]

Yep – surely Rheingold for BW Hills.

Didn’t Dr O’Brien really like Golden Fleece or am I confusing with Eddery?

Surely Aidan’s would be Camelot?

[Eclipse First]

1. Shergar
2. Frankel
3. Peintre Celebre
4. Dubai Millennium
5. Canford Cliffs
6. Sir Ivor
7. Sea the Stars
8. Rheingold
9. Ravens Pass
10. Sanglamore
11. Grey Swallow
12. Double Trigger
13. St Jovite
14. Hawk Wing

[Peruvian Chief]

Yep – surely Rheingold for BW Hills.

Didn’t Dr O’Brien really like Golden Fleece or am I confusing with Eddery?

Surely Aidan’s would be Camelot?

Feel free to add your list Cormack! After just three votes, only Frankel, Dubai Millenium & Canford Cliffs remain unaminous.

[Miss Woodford]

1. Sir M. Stoute

Singspiel

2. Sir H. Cecil

Frankel

3. A. Fabre

Hurricane Run

4. S. Bin Suroor

Fantastic Light

5. R. Hannon

Canford Cliffs

6. Dr. V. O’Brien

Nijinsky

7. J. Oxx

Sea the Stars

8. B. Hills

Rheingold

9. John Gosden

Bates Motel

10. R. Charlton

Sanglamore

11. D. Weld

Vintage Crop

12. M. Johnston

Double Trigger

13. J. Bolger

New Approach

14. A. O’Brien

Yeats

[Hurdygurdyman]

1. Sir M. Stoute – Sea Moon (will be)
2. Sir H. Cecil – Frankel
3. A. Fabre – Pennekamp
4. S. Bin Suroor – Dubai Millennium
5. R. Hannon – Canford Cliffs
6. Dr. V. O’Brien – Nijinsky
7. J. Oxx – Sinndar
8. B. Hills – Rheingold
9. John Gosden – Oasis Dream
10. R. Charlton – Bated Breath
11. D. Weld – Vintage Crop
12. M. Johnston – Double Trigger
13. J. Bolger – New Approach
14. A. O’Brien – Galileo

[cormack15]

Royal Heroine might be high up on the Gosden pecking order. And Mark Johnston might put Shamardal up there.

What about a jumping list PC?

[Peruvian Chief]

Yes i went for Shamardal myself Cormack, although i imagine "Braveheart" might go for Attraction bearing in mind he only had Shamardal during his juvenile season. I shall do a jumping one following this one.

Cheers.

[Perpetual]

Here’s mine:

1. Sir M. Stoute – Shergar
2. Sir H. Cecil – Oh So Sharp
3. A. Fabre – Zafonic
4. S. Bin Suroor – Dubai Millennium
5. R. Hannon – Canford Cliffs
6. Dr. V. O’Brien – Nijinsky
7. J. Oxx – Sea The Stars
8. B. Hills – Rheingold
9. John Gosden – Oasis Dream
10. R. Charlton – Bated Breath I guess
11. D. Weld – Vintage Crop
12. M. Johnston – Attraction
13. J. Bolger – St Jovite
14. A. O’Brien – Istibraq, (if he’s not allowed Galileo…)

[Peruvian Chief]

Thanks for the posts – only Canford Cliffs remains unaminous.

[Kris Diesis]

Here’s mine: For what is worth

1. M. Stoute – Shergar
2. H. Cecil – Frankel
3. A. Fabre – Zafonic
4. S. Bin Suroor – Sakhee
5. R. Hannon – Canford Cliffs
6. V. O’Brien – Alleged
7. J. Oxx – Sinndar
8. B. Hills – Rheingold
9. J. Gosden – Oasis Dream
10. R. Charlton – Sanglamore
11. D. Weld – Grey Swallow
12. M. Johnston – Attraction
13. J. Bolger – New Approacd
14. A. O’Brien – Giants Causeway

[rich1985]

How about Benny The Dip for Gosden and Halling for Bin Suroor?

[Arazi]

1. M. Stoute – Zilzal
2. H. Cecil – Frankel
3. A. Fabre – Peintre Celebre
4. S. Bin Suroor – Dubai Millenium
5. R. Hannon – Canford Cliffs
6. V. O’Brien – Nijinsky
7. J. Oxx – See The Stars
8. B. Hills – Rheingold
9. J. Gosden – Raven’s Pass
10. R. Charlton – Sanglamore
11. D. Weld – Vinnie Roe
12. M. Johnston – Double Trigger
13. J. Bolger – St Jovite
14. A. O’Brien – Hawk Wing

[trapper john]

1.m stoute – harbinger
2.h cecil – frankel
3.a fabre – hurricane run
4.s bin suroor – dubai millenium
5.r hannon canford – cliffs
6.v o brien – nijinsky
7.j oxx – sinndar
8.b hills – haafhd
9.j gosden – dar re mi
10.r charlton – cityscape
11.d weld – emulous (could turn out to be)
12.m johnston – attraction
13.j bolger – alexander goldrun
14.a o brien – rock of gibraltar

[Peruvian Chief]

According the the TRF posters who have inputted, the following trainers greatest ever trained horses are as follows. Cheers to those who had an input to satisfy my curiosity.

1. Sir M. Stoute – SHERGAR (2nd Singspiel)
2. Sir H. Cecil – FRANKEL (2nd Oh So Sharp)
3. A. Fabre – 4 way tie for PENNEKAMP, PEINTRE CELEBRE, ZAFONIC, HURRICANE RUN.
4. S. Bin Suroor – DUBAI MILLENIUM (2nd tied Fantastic Light / Sakhee)
5. R. Hannon – CANFORD CLIFFS (UNAMINOUS)
6. Dr. V. O’Brien – NIJINSKY (2nd Alleged)
7. J. Oxx – SEA THE STARS (2nd Sinndar)
8. B. Hills – RHEINGOLD (2nd Haafhd)
9. John Gosden – OASIS DREAM (2nd Ravens Pass)
10. R. Charlton – SANGLAMORE (2nd Bated Breath)
11. D. Weld – VINTAGE CROP (2nd Grey Swallow(
12. M. Johnston – DOUBLE TRIGGER (2nd Attraction)
13. J. Bolger – NEW APPROACH (St Jovite)
14. A. O’Brien – Tied HAWK WING & GALILEO

In summary, although i’m well aware this is a small, if select(!), poll i personally find the following of particular interest:

3. A. Fabre – it seems the great mans statement regarding Manduro is given little weight by the TRF faithful!
7. Very close vote 5/4 for STS, much closer than i had anticipated.
9. A suprise to me to see the first English winner of the Breeders Cup Classic not enough to claim first place past smart sprinter Oasis Dream. Perhaps evidence that the Breeders Cup is still not seen as overly prestigous by UK traditionalists,
14. The enigmatic HAWK WING does enough to ensure a tie for first place, which will no doubt infuriate some as much as it delights others (such as myself). Also noteworthy was not a single vote for HIGH CHAPARRAL, a dual Derby, dual Breeders Cup Turf, and Irish Champion Stakes winning colt, who also beat the mighty Falbrav both times they met. Perhaps again this is, as with RAVEN PASS on number 9, a shake of the collective head towards the Breeders Cup.

National Hunt to follow under seperate thread for anyone interested in having a say or nosing at others sayings. Cheers again.

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