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    At a guess, there is a serious issue here. Whatever their ‘analysis’ may say, there does appear to be some pool manipulation going on. The suggestion of this being due to foreign bookmakers paying out on UK Tote returns without being involved in the pools is very plausible.

    MORE WORRYINGLY…

    Tonight’s 18:45 at Chepstow was won by 25/1 shot Blue Clumber. The dividend was originally posted as £3.20.

    It has now been [b:3pmssuol]changed[/color:3pmssuol][/b:3pmssuol] to £26.80!!!

    The prices and tote payouts on the Sporting Life site (which are usually there or thereabouts in terms of accuracy against the final returns) were as follows:

    ROANNE 5/4 (£9.40)
    GREGORI 7/4 (£11.90)
    BALTIC GIN 5/1 (£2.80)
    IMPERIAL SPIRIT 8/1 (£2.90)
    BLUE CLUMBER 25/1 (£3.20)

    It appears that either (1) The calculation of the pool was erroneous for some reason, or (2) The dividend has been altered to avoid unwelcome media concern.

    Obviously it is important for the Tote (or Betfred) to maintain some public confidence in the Tote pools, else no-one sensible will bet serious money into them and their takeout will fall.

    At the same time, if they HAVE changed the payout, then this is illegal and needs to be examined by the authorities.

    At a guess, the races being ‘targeted’ for manipulation are likely to be smaller field races. The win dividend is being manipulated by money being placed on horses other than the favourite or a small number of shorter priced horses, and those involved are backing these horses at tote-returns with non-participating bookmakers (probably abroad).

    Every so often, one of the outsiders wins, and tiny dividends are paid out, but often, they will be picking up big payouts when the favoured horses go in.

    I’m not sure their analyses, or reassurances, are doing anything other than trying to minimise a clear problem, and I can see problems brewing…

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    It’s been going on for a while now

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    21st July Race 1 Redcar (9) Runners New Street 4/9 Paid £3.50
    22nd July Race 5 Ayr (4 ) Runners Someones Darling 7/4 Paid £6.00
    22nd July Race 4 Beverley (4) Runners Declamation 11/10 Paid £5.00
    23rd July Race 3 Ffos Lass (9) Runners Golden Jubilee 7/2 Fav Paid £7.50
    23rd July Race 6 Ffos Lass (10) Runners Idle Curiosity 13/2 Paid £2.00
    24th July Race 7 Leicester (6) Runners Dame Nellie Melba 15/8 Fav Paid £5.10
    25th July Race 6 Epsom (9) Runners Nile Night 4/1 Paid £9.00
    25th July Race 6 Brighton (5) Runners Marjus Quest 9/4 Paid £7.10
    26th July Race 6 Chepstow (4) Runners Noor Al Haya 5/2 Paid £1.40
    27th July Race 2 Lingfield (4) Runners Liberty Jack 4/11 Fav Paid £11/2
    28th July Race 2 Carlisle (4) Runners De Repente 5/2 Paid £5.90
    31st July Race 4 Leicester (7) Runners Boadicee 6/1 Paid £14.50
    1st August Race 3 Nottingham (9) Runners Rising Breeze 7/2 Paid £7.70
    1st August Race 5 Nottingham (9) Runners Knight Owl 7/2 Fav Paid £6.30
    1st August Race 1 Epsom (6) Runners Attraction Ticket 9/4 Paid £5.60
    1st August Race 3 Stratford (8) Runners Screaming Brave 7/2 Paid £6.40
    2nd August Race 8 Thirsk (11) Runners Gran Cannrin Queen 3/1 Fav paid £6.70
    2nd August Race 7 Bath (9) Runners Archie Walker 2/1 Fav £4.50
    3rd August Race 6 Newton Abbott (6) Runners 11/2 Paid £1.10
    3rd August Race 3 Hamilton (9) Runners Perfect pustance 6/1 Paid £3.40
    4th August Race 5 Market Rasen 6 Runners Dark Energy 9/1 Paid £4.60
    5th August Race 6 Ripon (4) Runners Batallion 5/6 Fav paid £6.20
    6th August Race 5 Kempton (6) Runners Pearl Spice 13/8 Fav Paid £4.50
    6th August Race 7 Kempton (9) Runners Truly Madly 8/1 Paid £18.60
    7th August Race 3 Pontefract (3) Runners …Corregio 12/1 Paid £5.50
    7th August Race 3 Kempton (8) Runners …… Prospera 3/1 Fav Paid £6.30
    8th August Haydock Race 3 (5) Runners …… IF 8/13 Fav Paid £3.60
    8th August Yarmouth Race 5 (4) Runners …. Dambusher 5/6 Fav Paid £3.90
    8th August Southwell Race 2 (6) Runners….. Toboggan Star 11/10 Fav Paid £1.30
    8th August Southwell Race 3 (6) Runners …..Yamamila 3/1 Paid £6.00
    8th August Southwell Race 6 (5) Runners …..Tongue in cheek 1/4 Fav Paid £7.10

    Nicked from betfair!

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