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Venusian is correct- counterintuitively, it would seem that the earlier you start training a horse the more likely it is to stay sound, which completely negates Tom’s argument.
Mick Channon had a horse running in the Brian Yeardley today that was having about its 7th start.
I like a policy like Sir Michael Stoute has with 2yo’s. Only a few runs to bring them on and then whoosh as 3yo’s. Nice and patient. However, admittedly, not all owners are as patient as his (or as patient as he makes them).
Mick Channon had a horse running in the Brian Yeardley today that was having about its 7th start.
Worth pointing out that the Channon horse, Archers Road, won the race at Beverley and looks to absolutely love his work. Anyone who describes his campaign as cruel would have to be blind.
I found it interesting when reading about the Preakness stakes that 1 of the 5 filles that won that race, Flocarline had 24 starts as a 2yo.
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What about the yearlings that come through the ring and they look like 2-y-o’s. They may have plenty of muscle but the bones have not properly developed
What about the yearlings? It’s been a good hundred years since anybody suggesting racing yearlings. Nobody is talking about yearlings, unless you are accusing trainers of running yearlings that
look
like 2yos!
For the third time of asking: do you have any evidence that the wastage rate of 2yos racing before the middle of the season is higher that that of any other age? Or higher than 2yos from the middle of the season to the end?
Or perhaps you are just going on an emotional "feeling", and simply don’t enjoy 2yo races?
I found it interesting when reading about the Preakness stakes that 1 of the 5 filles that won that race, Flocarline had 24 starts as a 2yo.
Even more impressive is the record of Donau, who ran in at least 41 races before his Kentucky Derby victory.
For me those 10f races for 2 year olds at the tail end of the season that are fequently run on on atrocious ground are much more detrimental to a horses welfare.
6 furlongs in may or 10 furlongs in october and more likely to be fast in may and heavy in october.
If in my next life if I come back as a horse I want it to be as an early 2 year old.
Simon writes…Mick Channon had a horse running in the Brian Yeardley today that was having about its 7th start. …
Seven races in about 53 days so early in the season?
Rory writes….Worth pointing out that the Channon horse, Archers Road, won the race at Beverley and looks to absolutely love his work. Anyone who describes his campaign as cruel would have to be blind…
So all winners love their work. I take it he ran without one crack of the whip?
And as far as being ‘blind’. Can you see into the future to tell how this early blitz will affect this animal who first saw the light of day on 15/3/07?- Total Posts 17716
And as far as being ‘blind’. Can you see into the future to tell how this early blitz will affect this animal who first saw the light of day on 15/3/07?
As he’s already won more races than most racehorses do in the course of their careers, your argument falls at the first hurdle! And you still neglect to provide readers with any statistics or facts whatsoever to back up your very apparent dislike of early 2yo racing.
Rory writes….Worth pointing out that the Channon horse, Archers Road, won the race at Beverley and looks to absolutely love his work. Anyone who describes his campaign as cruel would have to be blind…
So all winners love their work. I take it he ran without one crack of the whip?
And as far as being ‘blind’. Can you see into the future to tell how this early blitz will affect this animal who first saw the light of day on 15/3/07?Do you actually have a point to make Tom? I mentioned that Archers Road seemed to enjoy himself in winning based on my watching the race and the fact that I’ve watched tens of thousands of horses over the years. To compare him with a very similar type in terms of size and conformation, his "early blitz" won’t do him any harm. I noted, looking at Timeless Times’ record that he was recording his fifteenth career win on his seventeenth outing when beating subsequent Golden Jubilee* and July Cup winner Polish Patriot less than twenty weeks after making his debut. We can make them tough without inflicting crippling cruelty, you know.
(*Cork & Orrery as it was)
Is there a positive correlation between early foaling date and precocity?
After all there is a marked on-paper difference in true age between a January and June foal when racing at 2
Or does precocity due to breeding tend to override true age?
I’ve never had much interest in 2yo racing so am open to correction but IMO as a generalisation the precocious 2yo is "very much a 2yo" in the words favoured by trainers i.e they don’t train on. So given there is a population of horses who ‘peak’ while still in short trousers I see no need to get hot under the collar about racing them hard as juveniles. Providing of course they can take it.
Didn’t realise the number of early-to-mid season 6,7f races had increased, nor their earlier start. In no position to comment other than it does seem a little strange considering the goal of breeders (for reasons that escape me) is to produce speed at the expense of stamina in the 3 and 4yo.
On the subject of competitively racing yearlings I believe American Quarter-horse yearlings are ridden (light) in ‘fast work’.
Thinking back, I can remember a horse that ran eight times as a 2-y-old, twice over 5F starting in April, twice over 6F in June, twice over 7F and twice over 1M in August/September.
That start in life really messed up Red Rum didn’t it – he was never the same horse again ………
SIMILARLY TO HUMANS, SOME DEVELOP EARLIER THAN OTHERS. SOME 13 Y-O TEENAGERS ARE FULLY GROWN AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY’RE 18. THE SAME APLLIES TO HORSES. IT’S ONLY NATURAL TO RACE THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. TRAINERS KNOW THEIR 2 Y-O ARE AHEAD OF THE MAJORITY OF OTHER 2 Y-O, ASSUME THEY WON’T BE AS EFFECTIVE AGED 3 AND IT’S OFTEN THE CASE BECAUSE BY THAT TIME OTHERS LATE DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE CAUGHT UP AND THE EARLY DEVELOPERS ARE OUT OF THEIR DEPTH. Thanks for reading my blog guys your comments are welcomed . Happy punting.
SOME 13 Y-O TEENAGERS ARE FULLY GROWN AND THEY LOOK LIKE THEY’RE 18.
That’s what she told me, m’lud.
Drone say…
"After all there is a marked on-paper difference in true age between a January and June foal when racing at 2."
But a hell of a lot going on inside the animal. Flesh and bone that is still growing.
Again Drone comments…
"Didn’t realise the number of early-to-mid season 6,7f races had increased, nor their earlier start. In no position to comment other than it does seem a little strange considering the goal of breeders (for reasons that escape me) is to produce speed at the expense of stamina in the 3 and 4yo."
Just like poultry is being bred to matue faster for the tabe and cows are being bred with such big udders to producwe more milk that their teats are almost rubbing against the ground.
What for the future of the race horse "To be racing 1-yeak after being born?"
Tom – are you a member of Animal Aid and PETA by any chance?
You don’t seem to have any genuine interest in horse racing.
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