July 8, 2006 at 15:28 #2768
There is rock bottom and then there is being reduced to plaguerising some vomit that Peter Savill threw up earlier in the week.
So football betting scandals haven’t knocked public confidence/turnover on the game? Have you tried to get on some backend Italian game recently?
As for a bit of play acting being in some way comparable to racing’s problems, words fail.
Give it up mate, you’re embarassing yourself.July 8, 2006 at 15:39 #73526
No I’m not Glenn. My point was about general cynicism. Who are you by the way?July 8, 2006 at 16:00 #73527
Me? I’m just a bum that doesn’t like being told that white is black.July 8, 2006 at 16:39 #73528richardParticipant
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Well said Glenn.
To remind you Zorro you wrote:" but attitudes to sport have changed massively … now it really does seem the only real shame is not even getting caught; it’s getting caught and not trying to bend the rules in your favour".
Do you really believe sports fans couldn’t care less about corruption, that racehorse owners and racing punters aren’t turned off the sport by the HRA’s predecessor’s perceived attitude to tackling corruption? If you do, then I’d suggest you inhabit a different morality than most people.
I’d be interested to know whether you really believe what you wrote, or whether you were directed to write some such stuff as part of the RP’s obvious distate for the HRA’s actions, or was it just that you had a deadline to meet and just dashed off the first thing that came into your head?
Be interesting to know too whether the Editor of the RP takes an interest in what his columnists write, or is he just grateful to get the copy in time? Quite understand if you don’t want to answer that question.
richardJuly 8, 2006 at 17:03 #73529
Nobody tells me what to write or ever has, thanks.<br> I really do believe the habit of cynicism is so ingrained that most fans of most sports now expect their heroes to try to cheat successfully. I also believe many professional sportsmen, particularly in football, see more shame in failing to cheat, if by cheating they might save their team from defeat, than they do in being caught cheating.<br>I shouldn’t have to say this, but I suppose I’d better, for the benefit of those who either can’t understand what I mean or else pretend to misunderstand it so they can have an easier target to shoot at, that this belief is not incompatible with the belief that cheats, if caught, need punishing.<br>And I still don’t think the trials will have much effect on betting turnover.:)
(Edited by Zorro at 6:05 pm on July 8, 2006)July 8, 2006 at 17:19 #73530
By the way Richard, you inserted an ‘and’ between ‘caught’ and ‘not’ in ‘caught not trying to bend the rules’. This produces a subtle change of meaning. I’m sure it wasn’t intentional.July 8, 2006 at 18:41 #73531
I found the royal "we" business a bit strange this morning and felt Zorro was doing a good job mimicking his editor in yesterday’s shocker.
That said, Zorro is "celebrity" Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â member Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â here and shouldn’t be ambushed. We need a few Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â celebrities and we don’t want him doing a Barry Bismarck now, do we ? :biggrin:
But that’s just my opinion ;)July 8, 2006 at 18:48 #73532barry dennisMember
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what did I do ?July 8, 2006 at 18:56 #73533
First post in how long, Mr Dennis ?
Gizza a few more.July 8, 2006 at 20:02 #73534richardParticipant
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Thank you for the reply Zorro and my apologies for the extra "and". Don’t know a thing about Footie, but guess we’ll just have to differ about the general level of cynicism.
A general point though is that IMHO the HRA’s actions are beneficial to racing because they show a determination to tackle corruption, so maybe people like me who cut back on their betting considerably ‘cos I just didn’t trust certain types of races could be encouraged to bet on more races.
richard<br>July 8, 2006 at 22:39 #73535SirHarryLewisParticipant
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i would say that a great number of us less informed dont want to feel stupid but who is Zorro??
SHLJuly 9, 2006 at 00:17 #73536LibrettistMember
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Um, yeah sorry but i’d like to know who Zorro is too….and more to the point, who the hell is Barry Dennis?;)July 9, 2006 at 08:43 #73537SirHarryLewisParticipant
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Quote: from EC on 11:43 pm on July 8, 2006[br]http://www.zorro.com/
Hes got a mask on…so I still dont know
SHLJuly 9, 2006 at 09:33 #73538
Sorry if this seems like an ambush, but there seems to be no end of pressure on journos from the ‘racing community’ to tow the party line and tell lies. Is it so wrong to exert a tiny bit of counter pressure to ask for the truth?
World Cup Final of the ugly game today. A game, which if you only read the racing pages, you would believe is more bent than horse racing.
Well let me tell you a few things that won’t be happening this evening:
1) The BBC commentary team won’t be sans its best reporter on account of the fact she once wrote something critical of one of the players.
2) The former FIFA chairman won’t be checking his ‘special deals’ account with his bookie, to see how much he’s made from the inside info that some teams were fielding their second eleven for the first three group games.
3) The groundsman won’t be lumping on the team that wins the toss, having created a bog on one side of the pitch.
4) If one of the star players get injured, the first thing the journos will do is report it rather than start lumping on the opposite side then report it.
5) If you want to back one of the teams to win a non-trivial amount you won’t be greeted by a set of layers/bookies who really don’t want to know, who’ll lay you tenners here and scores there while halving the price.
6) The two teams won’t have come from a round of 16 where sides were balloted out in order to suit bookies’ profits and short change punters.
7) Thierry Henry won’t be doing a version of the birdy song when he gets a goalscoring opportunity, having drifted to any price you like on the first goalscorer market pre-match.
I could go on………..<br>
(Edited by Glenn at 10:34 am on July 9, 2006)July 9, 2006 at 09:33 #73539
There’s a clue in the frame here Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â somewhere but I just can’t find it:
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