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    Avatar photonon vintage
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    I just feel that Mahler is too slow for the St Leger but could easily mature into a genuine Cup horse…

    #106278
    davidjohnson
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    Now the entries are out and I see my fancy has been entered I may as well share it. Did anyone see Honolulu’s listed win against older horses at Limerick. It was just his third start and he still looked extremely green, colliding with the running rail close home but looking to have plenty in hand. Can’t see him having any problem with the trip being by Montjeu out of a 12f winning Darshaan mare.

    Others will pay more credence to this than what I tend to but interesting that Ladbrokes price the horse at just 8’s whilst he’s generally 14’s elsewhere.

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    Surely the national hunt needs the good staying horses(St.Leger winners) as stallions.They upgrade the hunter type mares.

    In the absence of many top class jumping entires since Alderbrook, yeah, you’re right that we do.

    Mark you, I’m fairly intrigued by the little gaggle of pretty useful animals in Evan Williams and Peter Bowen’s strings at present which still have their wobbly bits. Irish Wolf’s hurdles rating peaked at 150 last season, and he still hasn’t had the cruellest cut although he’s now been sent chasing. Another Bowen horse, Green Finger, is also still an entire and one of the most consistent summer jumpers around. Williams, meanwhile, can add Matt The Thrasher and Cannon Fire, neither mugs, to that list.

    Given these two trainers’ location in the deep in the Welsh pointing heartland, and the background of Williams in that sphere in particular, I would be astonished if not one of these entires has already been earmarked to serve as a point-to-point stallion at the very least in the fulness of time.

    Cripes, just imagine, for the sake of argument, Irish Wolf offspring out of Mrs Be – you’d get something that’d win the 4m hunter at Cheltenham umpteen years running but break both of its jockeys arms in so doing. :lol:

    Jeremy
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    You’d have to say that it’d be harsh on them to send him over the bigger obstacles with his wobblies intact. Ouch!

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    I presume connections must tie the offending, um, article back beforehand. Either that or train the horses to think about unattractive things on the way round. I believe Green Finger keeps his baser instincts at bay during a race by means of a visual picture in his mind of Bella Emberg.

    gc

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    #106335
    the welsh wizard
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    Indeed FSL.

    I believe that the only reason to run a Derby winner in the St Leger nowadays would be in the hope that it fades and finishes well beaten, thus proving that it doesn’t stay and therefore must be a faster horse rather than a plodder.

    Sadly, proven stamina beyond 10f for a stallion is a bit of an albatross in this day and age.

    This nonsense infuriates me; it is an example of something very prevalent in Racing, namely that someone makes an assertion which enough people repeat for it to be some kind of accepted wisdom cf. Sir Mark Prescott is a genius for getting horses to run up a sequence in handicaps, Saeed bin Suroor doesn’t actually train the horses, Jim McGrath is a form expert….all total bullshit, but accepted by many as some kind of truism.
    Sadler’s Wells, Montjeu and Galileo are three of the top five sires in this year’s standings as they were last year, and will no doubt continue to be (the latter pair anyway) for many years to come. All were top-class over 12f.

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    Anyone think that after his fine efforts at Epsom, Ascot and now his staying-on performance in the Eclipse, Yellowstone could be an EW shout for the St Leger? He’s currently a 20-1 shot with the Tote.

    He’s not bred to stay, although he is related to a couple of 12F winners.

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