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October 28, 2013 at 13:41 #456489
Think its wortg taking on the front two, corbally looked exciting the season before last. Akorakor was desperate there, doesn’t bode well for Rule The World. Don’t think Oscars Well should be 7/4 in the next, value in Realt Mór.
Realt Mor €5 e/w @5/1 (boyl)
October 28, 2013 at 15:06 #456499Gift Of Dgab €10 e/w @ 11/2 (BV)
October 28, 2013 at 20:12 #456554
The two positives to take out of the day were undoubtedly Rule The World and Defy Logic. Rule The Worl dtraveled powerfully and although it briefly looked like King Shabra had given the field the slip at the second last, Rule The World picked him up well. I just find it strange that he’s not going over fences this season, I’d make him a short price for the RSA and I prefer to see horses sent over fences directly after their novice hurdling season.Defy Logic won as he liked. Miley Shah was only a couple of lengths off him two out but Defy Logc powered away from him to put over 20 lengths between the at the line. Golanbrook could only finish a length closer. Both those animals were rated around 130 over hurdles so if they’ve ran to form then Defy Logic’s performance was very impressive. According to James Nolan he had a good blow and will come on plenty for the run. His jumping improved as the race progressed and although he dived at the third I was happy with him over all. I’m very happy with my 20/1 for the Arkle and I wouldn’t put anyone off him at 16/1.
October 29, 2013 at 15:55 #456653What better to do of a Tuesday afternoon than a bit of Cheltenham Festival novice hurdles discussion.
Willie Mullins’ stable tour is in today’s Racing Post and I found it surprising that he said
Moyle Park
could go down the two mile route. He looks a horse of some promise and is not too dissimilar from Champagne Fever, in that he’ll likely be better over further in time. If he plies his trade over two miles this season I expect he won’t be hanging around. The Supreme looks the long term target for him. At the present time, I think Eddie Harty’s
Minella Foru
is a decent price for that race at 40/1. He cheekily bettered Mullins’ Shamsikhan in his maiden hurdle and the way he traveled that day suggests he’ll be able make a step up in grade. Whether he’ll be Supreme novice class remains to be seen but he’s definitely worth keeping an eye on.
Faugheen
is the horse I have in mind for the Neptune at this early stage. He’s only 16/1 for the race however which looks a tad skimpy considering I managed to get 33/1 about Zaidpour and Un Atout at a similar stage of the year for the Supreme. Perhaps the price simply reflects the regard he is held in and if I was forced to nominate one novice hurdler to follow this season it would be him. He absolutely decimated a decent looking bumper field in Punchestown and if he doesn’t win a Grade 1 this season I’ll be a bit disappointed. Mullins also has
Turnandgo
,
Made In Germany
and
Briar Hill
for the staying hurdles. Briar Hill requires no introduction, while Turnandgo is another I’m hoping will achieve big things in the future. Like Faugheen, he kicked a good bumper field into touch in the spring; he could be an RSA horse next season.
October 29, 2013 at 16:52 #456658Tommy any thoughts on weekend racing i like FIRST LIEUTENAINT and
UNIONISTE in Charlie hall too.October 30, 2013 at 09:30 #456726Hello mate.
Have you checked the racing at Punchestown this afternoon? There is a mare called Elsie that runs in the 4:15 that really appeals. I actually thought she’d be a lot shorter than she is this morning (9/2) so am pleasantly surprised! She has form in the book with Champagne Fever and Don Consack, course form and the benefit of a run under her belt. Certain bet this.
Do you know much about her opponents today?
OLAS
October 30, 2013 at 16:36 #456737Hello mate.
Have you checked the racing at Punchestown this afternoon? There is a mare called Elsie that runs in the 4:15 that really appeals. I actually thought she’d be a lot shorter than she is this morning (9/2) so am pleasantly surprised! She has form in the book with Champagne Fever and Don Consack, course form and the benefit of a run under her belt. Certain bet this.
Do you know much about her opponents today?
OLAS
Hi OLAS, it’s been a while!
I saw your post on my phone this morning, got out the laptop to reply, couldn’t get on the site. Went back to the phone and same problem, so apologies for this late reply!
Hopefully you’ll be paid first past the post on Elsie, say she could lose it in the stewards’. Very good shout by the way, 9/2 was a steal. I hadn’t really looked at the race myself, but you made a good argument.
I fancied two horses today, Empire Of Dirt and Corbally Ghost. However, funds in the accounts are low and couldn’t get to a bookies!
There was huge word for Empire Of Dirt before his bumper (I can’t remember but I probably lost a fair bit on him!) and at 16/1 he was worth a punt. He looks a nice horse for Colm Murphy and is a typical Gigginstown three mile chaser.
Although I would have lost my money on Corbally Ghost I thought he ran a nice race. He wasn’t knocked about, in fact I would say Paul Townend was very tender on him. I suspect connections will be very happy that he’s back on track and he should win a beginners’ somewhere you would think.
October 30, 2013 at 17:01 #456738You know me fella – keep me head down during the summer months.
It would appear that the result has been overturned. However, Bet365 initially paid out and that was quickly withdrawn! Not sure whether they will block any transfers out of the account – we shall see
Either way, she was very game in ‘defeat’. Certainly one to keep an eye on when she eventually see’s a hurdle.
Exciting times ahead – I love this time of year! Trouble is I’m out in Oz during the whole of December for the cricket so will be well out of the loop with all things jumps….
October 30, 2013 at 20:39 #456749Exciting times ahead – I love this time of year! Trouble is I’m out in Oz during the whole of December for the cricket so will be well out of the loop with all things jumps….
OLAS,have a good trip if you need your 66/1 voucher looking after it will be in safe hands with me!
October 30, 2013 at 22:24 #456755Tommy any thoughts on weekend racing i like FIRST LIEUTENAINT and
UNIONISTE in Charlie hall too.Tommy any thoughts on weekend racing i like FIRST LIEUTENAINT and
UNIONISTE in Charlie hall too.Hi Darren, the James Nicholson should be a cracker. First Lieutenant is the horse to beat after his prep race behind Toner D and Roi Du Mee. That’s not to say he’ll be 100%, but will he need to be? I think it’s likely he’ll run a gallant race in defeat.
But what horse will beat him? Sizing Europe is better over shorter, I think he’s vulnerable over three miles. He’s not getting any younger now either.
Lord Windermere is a doubtful runner.
Kauto Stone won well last year and it could be that he’s a stone better at Down Royal than anywhere else but you have to take a lot on trust with him.
I don’t think Prince De Beauchene or Roi Du Mee are Grade 1 horses, while Quito De La Roque will only run if it’s very testing. I don’t think Realt Dubh will be at his best over three miles, and he seemed to lose his way a bit last year.
That leaves Mount Benbulben. I thought he had potential to be a star in his early days, but completely went off him last season, and thought his heavy ground Punchestown win had something of a fluke about it. However, in the past week I’ve had another change of heart about this horse.
Let’s take a look at his career record. He’s had 17 races under rules resulting in 7 wins. Not bad. If we look at his record left-handed, he’s had 7 starts with only one win. The victory was a novice hurdle win at Navan, beating Rebel Fitz by a length and a half in receipt of 3 lbs. He was then beaten nearly five lengths by Boston Bob at the same track when odds on to win. He rounded off his novice hurdle season by finishing 20 lengths behind Brindisi Breeze in the Albert Bartlett.
He ran left handed four times over fences last season. First, he was beaten in a beginners’ chase at Naas by Jenari. He made a bad mistake early on at Leopardstown at Christmas, resulting in his rider losing his irons and being pulled up. It was too early to say what would have happened that day. He was then beaten at Naas and Leopardstown again.
Now let’s look at his record going the
right
way round! 10 runs and 6 wins (by an aggregate of 56 lengths). That means he’s been beaten four times right handed: once on his rules debut (which was in a bumper at Down Royal); when slipping up in a maiden hurdle at Galway; when falling in a beginners chase at Punchestown; and finally when 4th in the Powers Gold Cup, where he nearly unseated Danny Mullins at the third last an was far from fluent at the last two fences also.
Therein lies the only negative: his jumping. Its hard to know whether the horse or the jockey looks more clueless when they meet a fence, his jockey definitely isn’t helping him and I feel will hold him back somewhat. If he gets into a rhythm early then they should be fine, but one mistake and the thing seems to go to sh1t! There’s also the possibility that they were a chronic bunch of novices last season but that remains to be seen.
If I can get to a bookies tomorrow I’ll be backing him.
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In the Charlie Hall, I actually think Long Run is a fair price at 5/4, as long as First Lieutenant runs in Ireland. I don’t think I’ve ever backed before, but there’s a first time for everything and if he’s that price on the day I might be tempted have a score on. I couldn’t have Unioniste at all. Paul Nicholls has a fantastic record at this time of year but I think Unioniste is over rated, plain and simple. 3/1 is a shocking price imo. If Long Run is to be beaten I think Harry Topper could be the horse to do so.
October 30, 2013 at 22:27 #456756You know me fella – keep me head down during the summer months.
It would appear that the result has been overturned. However, Bet365 initially paid out and that was quickly withdrawn! Not sure whether they will block any transfers out of the account – we shall see
Either way, she was very game in ‘defeat’. Certainly one to keep an eye on when she eventually see’s a hurdle.
Exciting times ahead – I love this time of year! Trouble is I’m out in Oz during the whole of December for the cricket so will be well out of the loop with all things jumps….
That’s a pity OLAS, you’ll miss Arvika Ligeonniere hacking up in the John Durkan
Seriously though, you’ll have to hire someone to record all the good stuff, never mind that cricket!
November 1, 2013 at 18:41 #456915Very decent looking card at Cork on Sunday. I’ll find it hard to jump ship from The Game Changer, but the Mullins/Walsh/Ricci axis have Daneking in here, who was last seen beating none other than Tiger Cliff last year. Could be two good horses, but if Irish Racing’s 5/1 about The Game Changer appears I’ll be all in.
There’s another maiden hurdle later in the card involving the well touted Azorian and an interesting runner in Bold Optimist, who has been off the track since he beat my Jewson fancy Felix Yonger in a Leopardstown bumper in 2010. Mullins and Ruby combine with Gigginstown runner Unic De Bersy, who won a Tipperary bumper in May. This could be a race to watch.
The aforementioned Felix Yonger runs in a 2.5 mile Grade 3 novice chase, where I expect him to win again. I really fancied Road To Riches for the Albert Bartlett last year. He missed that and then ran poorly twice afterwards, but he must be held in some regard to throw him in here first time up over fences. I’d be afraid of him. Sizing Rio is also respected, as is Rogue Angel, who was running a good race when coming down last time out.
November 2, 2013 at 13:12 #457074On phone again so will be brief. Have backed Sizing Europe and Rolling Aces, €20 on each at 4/1 and 7/4 respectively.
November 2, 2013 at 19:30 #457120Today’s bets yielded a profit, with Rolling Aces winning at an SP of 9/4. Argocat came own at the last when challenging, difficult to know what way it would have went but Rolling Aces attacked the fence a lot better so even if Argocat had stood up he would have found himself length or two down. Wouldn’t you know Roi Du Mee would go in today, having backed him his previous two runs
Really fancy two horses tomorrow, one of them beingFelix Yonger
. I think he can win the Jewson this season so I’d be hoping he’ll be able to beat what is a very good field for the time of year. I’m afraid of Sizing Rio who looks a nice horse but Felix Yonger has potential to be very high class indeed. The form of his beginners chase is working out very well with White Star Line (who received 3 lbs and a snug 3 length beating) now rated 143, and Operating was travelling well when coming down during the week behind Morning Assembly.
Felix Yonger’s novice hurdle form looks very solid with an excellent second in the Neptune behind Simonsig with Monksland well behind in third. I hope he’ll go on to contest Grade 1 races this season so hopefully he can take tomorrow’s race. I really fancy him and may go in again.
Cork 2.50
Felix Yonger
€20 win @ 7/4 (PP)- €154
November 2, 2013 at 20:49 #457123Today’s bets yielded a profit, with Rolling Aces winning at an SP of 9/4. Argocat came own at the last when challenging, difficult to know what way it would have went but Rolling Aces attacked the fence a lot better so even if Argocat had stood up he would have found himself length or two down. Wouldn’t you know Roi Du Mee would go in today, having backed him his previous two runs
Really fancy two horses tomorrow, one of them beingFelix Yonger
. I think he can win the Jewson this season so I’d be hoping he’ll be able to beat what is a very good field for the time of year. I’m afraid of Sizing Rio who looks a nice horse but Felix Yonger has potential to be very high class indeed. The form of his beginners chase is working out very well with White Star Line (who received 3 lbs and a snug 3 length beating) now rated 143, and Operating was travelling well when coming down during the week behind Morning Assembly.
Felix Yonger’s novice hurdle form looks very solid with an excellent second in the Neptune behind Simonsig with Monksland well behind in third. I hope he’ll go on to contest Grade 1 races this season so hopefully he can take tomorrow’s race. I really fancy him and may go in again.
Cork 2.50
Felix Yonger
€20 win @ 7/4 (PP)Well, Boyles have opened up 5/4 and he’s in to 13/8 with PP, if I’m going to back him again now is the time.
Cork 2.50
Felix Yonger
€20 win @ 13/8 (PP)
Big day tomorrow…
November 3, 2013 at 10:32 #457170Fingers, and everything else crossed for The Game Changer today THM. As you say, Daneking looks a huge danger, but I’m definitely having a go.
November 3, 2013 at 10:39 #457172Thanks VTC, big day as I said!
The Game Changer was unlucky when brought down in the Land Rover and has a huge reputation. The Mullins horse could be anything but 4/7 for a horse off the track for a year, wearing a hood too, seems very short. But then again maybe he’s that short for a reason, despite the negatives.
Either way I think The Game Changer is too big at 7/2. I’ve already put him in an each way double with Felix Yonger (got 3/1 on TGC in that), and have just taken 11/4 for him in a straight win single.
Cork 1.10 – The Game Changer (3/1)
Cork 2.50 – Felix Yonger (5/4)
€15 e/w double (PP)Cork 1.10
The Game Changer
€45 win @ 11/4 (PP)- €249
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