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The Whp debacle , will it get fixed today ???

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    ricky lakericky lake
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    Today is pivotal for ending the plethora of ills that came with the whip rules and their shameful introduction

    Today will tell us if Bittar and Struthers can broker a deal,a workable deal , sustainable , flexible and most of all acceptable to both sides

    I doubt it , looks like another couple of sticky plasters to cover the sores …I do hope I am proved wrong , but as long as Stiers and Roy remain , they will always be part of the problem and not the solution ….IMO OF COURSE

    Good luck PJA …looks like you will need it

    Ricky

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    Leeknowles1Leeknowles1
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    I bloody hope so, I bloody doubt it

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    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    As far as I can make out they’ve done what I always said they should.

    I think they’ve told the Stewards to all but throw away the abacus and use their discretion on how and why the whip was used more than the allowed number.

    Fingers crossed that is what it all means.

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    KenhKenh
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    #392823
    ricky lakericky lake
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    Over four months have passed since the introduction of the first set of rules following the Whip Review. Despite a number of changes to both the rule and the accompanying penalty structure it is clear that while many objectives of the Review are being met, and in particular those pertaining to horse welfare, a rule which polices the use of the whip based solely on a fixed number of strikes is fundamentally flawed.

    aaaah satisfaction at last ….are you watching , Pompette , Corm , Ginger …and others who nailed their colours to the Roy/Stier madness (as always IMO )

    One feels totally vindicated and I take great pleasure in saying I did tell you ……..

    Ricky

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    ricky lakericky lake
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    PS , a huge well done to Struthers and Bittar , this is a good step forward , common sense should prevail providing the stewards dont mess up , a lot of pressure will be on the Stipendary guys to make sure they at least get it right

    Wonder how Robert Winston feels ???

    Ricky

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    ZamorstonZamorston
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    It’s totally outrageous that is has taken this long for well paid people in senior positions to realise what hundreds of thousands of average Joe’s have been saying for months!!

    Heads have got to roll surely?

    Will they look back at all the poor jockey’s who were put out of pocket by some of these farsical decisions of the last few months? In my opinion they should be financially re-imbursed on both prize money and loss of earnings by the complete idiots who stuck by these silly rules and penalties for so long…

    Well done Paul Bittar….at last we could have someone in a crucial position who will take racing forward!!

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    betlargebetlarge
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    "We are confident there is not a welfare problem associated with the use of the cushioned whip in British Racing."


    So what was the problem in the first place exactly?

    Mike

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    Eclipse First
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    Over four months have passed since the introduction of the first set of rules following the Whip Review. Despite a number of changes to both the rule and the accompanying penalty structure it is clear that while many objectives of the Review are being met, and in particular those pertaining to horse welfare, a rule which polices the use of the whip based solely on a fixed number of strikes is fundamentally flawed.

    aaaah satisfaction at last ….are you watching , Pompette , Corm , Ginger …and others who nailed their colours to the Roy/Stier madness (as always IMO )

    One feels totally vindicated and I take great pleasure in saying I did tell you ……..

    Ricky

    And that has cured all the ills in racing has it?

    The sport is still moribund and cannot sustain itself at the current levels. All the last 4 months has done is deflect from the real issues that racing has to address or face the abyss.

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    betlargebetlarge
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    And that has cured all the ills in racing has it?

    No, it hasn’t. Nor has it hasn’t cured global warming or Greek debt either. What it has done is remove some irrational, ill-thought out rules from the statute book.

    Mike

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    ricky lakericky lake
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    Eclipse

    stay on topic dear girl….you are spot on of course (as always)

    This thread is about the whip balls up specifically

    thanks

    Ricky

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    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    RSPCA Statement on BHA rules

    “It’s absolutely staggering that the BHA has taken such a clear backward step, less than six months after the new whip rules were introduced. Not only has the BHA failed to consult the RSPCA or other welfare groups about its plans but the decision flies in the face of scientific research which shows that excessive use of the whip actually increases the likelihood of falls.

    “This is a black day for the racing industry but the real losers today are horses – jockeys have effectively been given a licence to beat them with impunity. We are extremely disappointed that once again the BHA has seen it necessary to change the rules in favour of the jockeys, despite having already allowed two previous concessions.

    “Since the new rules limiting the use of the whip were introduced there appears to be a culture of change among jockeys, which is a positive move forward. This latest move sees the preventative, punitive, element of the new whip rules reduced even further which gives us real cause for concern."

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    #392842
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    Well someone saying "I told you so" hardly sounds like a racing fan, unless they won money as a result of today’s changes.

    The only trouble is that jockeys will now think they have a free hand when the money is down. They are not referred to as "short and thick does the trick" without good reason.

    #392848
    ricky lakericky lake
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    JOE , the Rspca can take it or leave it , Bittar has spelled out with clarity , no welfare issue with the air cushioned whip

    These guys can rattle a few cages , but in reality they can do nothing

    Thank Goodness sanity has been restored , the politics of appeasement are over , this whole mess was created by just that , now we are back to a sensible playing field

    Ricky

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    cormack15cormack15
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    Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

    Full and detailed response from ‘Deeply Disappointed, Edinburgh’ later Ricky when I’ve had time to a) calm down and b)reflect on the ramifications.

    Here’s a starter.

    The BHA clearly don’t consider one horse ca. every fortnight coming back with weals/marks to be a welfare issue. I disagree and I’d like them to qualify that statement and will be asking them to do so.

    Oh dear. Oh dear. OH DEAR!!!!!

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