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  • #22614
    Avatar photocormack15
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    I’ve waited almost all my racing life for it.

    Nashwan could have done it I think. So too could Sea The Stars. But both sets of connections of those Guineas/Derby winners by-passed the Leger for the more fashionable/lucrative route offered by a tilt at the Arc. I was beginning to give up hope.

    With the prospect that he might race at 4 connections of Camelot have grasped the nettle and head for Doncaster on Saturday. What a great decision for all of us who love racing.

    We might see history made on Saturday. A historic event some of us may never see again in our lifetime.

    And I, having waited patiently in the 42 years since Nijinsky in the diminishing hope that I might one day witness an event to match those great moments in racing history when one horse proves himself to have the elusive blend of speed, temperament, durability, flexibility, class and stamina that are the hallmarks of a triple crown winner, <i>can hardly wait a moment longer.</i>

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    Cormack i read your post with both enthusiasm and gratitude.It is so nice to hear one speaking from the heart about his love for racing.Many of us, myself included, have lost the spark that feeds the flame so to speak and face the next racing day without that whick brings the next generation to our sport.You for me are in the spirit that moves Steve Haskin and Stephen Crist to write so movingly of their love for horse racing.Thanks for your personal contribution.

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    Cracking post David and no matter which side of the fence you are on it’s moments like this that make racing what it is.

    So come on Camelot!!!!!

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    I agree whole heartedly with Cormack. The last winner prior to Nijinsky was Bahrain in 1935 so this Saturday is a truly historic event. The last Derby winner to even run in the Leger was Reference Point in 1987 who could well have won the Triple Crown but for sinus problems which ruled him out of the 2,000 Guineas.

    It will be a magical day if Camelot is led into the winner’s enclosure as a Triple Crown winner.

    p.s. We shouldn’t forget the great Oh So Sharp who won the fillies version in 1985.

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    I’m not a great fan of flat racing, preferring the jump side myself, but I think it is a real shame that more trainers don’t go for the English Triple Crown. I think it’s a true test of the Thoroughbred showing not only the sprint speed, but stamina as well. It’s a pity we’ve had to wait so long for an owner/trainer to be brave enough to say we’re going to give it a go.

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    More English trainers need to win the Guineas first,then the Derby.The last trainer to do that was Jim B.Wonder will Camelot have the stamina to achieve the big one?

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    For me, if Camelot were to win the St Leger I do believe it’s a greater racing achievement than what Frankel has given this year.

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    I would love Camelot to win the Triple Crown, but I am not confident he will. It is very much ground dependent whether he does or doesn’t.

    Cormack mentioned Nashwan as possibly one horse who might have followed in Nijinsky’s hooves. Interestingly enough, Willie Carson said recently that he felt Nashwan only won the Derby because of his class, rather than stamina. He said that Nashwan was essentially a ten furlong horse and that his stamina was pushed to the limits over a mile and a half. Bearing that mind, it seems unlikely that Nashwan could have stayed the 1m 6f of the St. Leger.

    An old bookmaker friend of mine will argue until the cows come home that, for him, Nijinsky remains the best thoroughbred colt to have raced in Europe since the war.

    When asked why, he replied that the English Triple Crown was the ultimate test for any thoroughbred, and not only did Nijinsky pass that test, he also won races ranging from 6f to 14f at the top level. These reasons, he argued, marked Nijinsky out as the best.

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    good stuff here ,I remember when Nijinsky won it , at the time it was no big deal , after all he won everything , was trained by the maestro and ridden by the best jockey ever , so it kinda washed over

    Funny now I dont see Camelot in the same mould , in fact I am sure Nijinsky would beat him for sure , the only reason he is turning up at all is because they (Coolmore )had no other choice , the option was to avoid Frankel and protect their commercial asset

    Anyway for the record I would say Frankel would have beaten them both , but that is my opinion alone

    Triple crowns dont mean anything this side of the water

    IMO of course

    enjoy it everyone

    Ricky

    #413013
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    For me, if Camelot were to win the St Leger I do believe it’s a greater racing achievement than what Frankel has given this year.

    I would say that if he wins the St Leger and then also wins the Arc, then taking his overall record into account, it would be the most prestigious achievement of any horse for a very long time in this country….

    not beyond the impossible, User Friendly almost did the double with the same time between the races… and took in the Yorkshire Oaks along the way…

    …it puzzles me why anyone thinks Camelot has been avoiding Frankel. Only one race they could have met, and Camelot excels over 12f which has never been the aim of the other, so if true it’s more likely Nathaniel who’s been turning up just about everywhere…
    …I wonder if it’s this horse’s participation in the Arc, which may be ground dependent, they are waiting on before a final decision is made there…

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    Doesn’t Oh So Sharp qualify as a Triple Crown winner?

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    Doesn’t Oh So Sharp qualify as a Triple Crown winner?

    No !

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    #413019
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    Have to agree Cormack.
    I watched Nijinsky all those years ago and waited with great anticipation for the next flat season hoping to find another truly great horse.
    Sadly none have stepped up to the plate until this weekend. I just hope he does it.
    To me the Triple Crown is the Holy Grail and Camelot would be an aptly named winner.

    #413021
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    Having looked at the St Leger, I really see any horse good enough to take on Camelot. No real group 1 horse.

    Not much will be proven by Camelot’s win, but it will go down in the record books if/

    when

    he wins.

    #413035
    Avatar photoMiss Woodford
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    Until recently I truly believed that Nijinsky would be the very last English TC winner. Just considering how rare it is for top 3yos to even run in the St. Leger, even when they’ve won the other 2 races. The fact that it’s Coolmore and Aiden O’Brien doing it is even more crazy to me, I always thought of them as coddling their top horses. Granted Camelot hasn’t exactly had a grueling campaign thus far, but just by putting him in this position I think they’ve done a great service to horse racing in general.

    #413053
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    Looking at the competition he is by far the best horse in the race. But if he runs out of petrol before the finish he will not win, however good he has been so far. Will he stay ….? Can’t wait!

    Full marks to Coolmore for running him.

    #413066
    Avatar photoricky lake
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    fore the finish he will not win, however good he has been so far. Will he stay ….? Can’t wait!

    Full marks to Coolmore for running him.

    Sir I believe you really mean full marks to Coolmore for avoiding Frankel

    All this tosh is unwarranted If Frakel was not around do you seriously think this nag would be running in the Ledger

    I think not !!! :oops:

    IMO of course

    Ricky

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