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  • #427938
    Coggy
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    Both could indeed be very good novices.
    However, judging by the comments from the yard, the decision to kick on, will not be repeated.
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but STD got it wrong, and as Himself posted earlier, probably panicked because AP was behind him. The victor quickened better in the conditions in my view, and the better jockey (by far) in a finish, won the day.
    Surprising in my view, the McCoy’s ride hasn’t received more acclaim.
    If you swap the jockeys would the result be repeated ? I think not.

    #427991
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    Interesting how others saw the race. In my view the only horse who quickened was The New One. He made a move that took control of the race and if he had maintained that momentum he would have won cosily. At Fishers Cross stayed on, rather than quickened, in my opinion. At the end of a race run on that ground I find it hard to believe that one horse quickened in that manner and was then "out-quickened" by another horse so late on in such conditions. These are not speed horses after all and staying was the game here.

    For sure McCoy was different class in the finish but there is no excuse losing out to the greatest and strongest jockey who ever climbed onto a horse’s back.

    I have doubts about how much difference holding up The New One any longer would have made.There has to be a point in any race where the further you have travelled before asking for a turn of foot, has a detrimental effect on the quality of that turn of foot. One guy told me Frankel would piss the Derby, because all the jockey had to do was hold him up until two furlongs out and then ask him to sprint away.

    If only it were so easy!!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

    #428019
    elgransenor1
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    I must confess I backed coneygree for saturdays race.

    he was made to look dreadfully slow though by the front two and looks like he needs five miles already. warwick national perhaps? :lol:

    my gut feeling is that the front two are very smart and will both go on to better things.

    #429087
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    I am a big Puffin Billy fan and notice the two of them are entered in the Neptune Hurdle on Saturday – should be a cracker if they do both run.

    On the grounds that I think Puffin Billy is the classier of the two and is capable of defeating TNO I would be inclined to sell now rather than wait and become bitterly disappointed (just like the owners of Cue Card and Dunguib did).

    I think you may wish to re-assess your appraisal of Puffin Billy following his run behind Melodic Rendezvous at Exeter today, where he has made to look rather less than top class.

    That said, I did wonder at the tactics employed by Oliver Sherwood/ Leighton Aspell. Having won his previous races – albeit against poorer opposition – by putting the horse to sleep out the back, before cruising to victory; Aspell ( or Sherwood ? ) decided to try and take the sting out of Meldoic Rendezous’s finishing speed by attempting to more or less make all.

    Whether the tactics were to blame or not, he was fully exposed by a much better horse. :shock:

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    #429104
    Avatar photoSteeplechasing
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    After his Sandown win I backed MR for Festival and I’ve criticised PB’s jumping technique, believing it would prevent him fulfilling his potential.

    But, to be fair to PB, he struggled on bravely today when looking exhausted, not helped by running quite free early: I suspect that was not his form.

    #429112
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    I am a big Puffin Billy fan

    I think you may wish to re-assess your appraisal of Puffin Billy following his run behind Melodic Rendezvous at Exeter today, where he has made to look rather less than top class.

    Puffin Billy

    was blowing like a Puffin Steam Train after that Non event at Exeter,that was merely a game of Cat and Mouse. Come Cheltenham I’d take the younger runner-up to reverse that form today! If I owned either I would sooner take on ‘The New one’ in the Neptune than ‘My Tent or yours’ in the Supreme! NTD will be praying

    Pont Alexandre

    doesn’t run in it either as that and the winner

    Rule the World

    will both show up ‘The New One’ as a horse who has No scope for improvement.As for jumping a fence! :shock:

    #429133
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    Puffin Billy

    was blowing like a Puffin Steam Train after that Non event at Exeter,that was merely a game of Cat and Mouse.

    In this case the cat ate the mouse ! :shock:

    If you think Puffin Billy will finish in front of Melodic Rendezvous, should they meet again, then I wish you and your apparently inexhaustible amount of betting pounds all the very best of British. :P :wink:

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    #429135
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    Puffin Billy

    was blowing like a Puffin Steam Train after that Non event at Exeter,that was merely a game of Cat and Mouse.

    In this case the cat ate the mouse ! :shock:

    If you think Puffin Billy will finish in front of Melodic Rendezvous, should they meet again, then I wish you and your apparently inexhaustible amount of betting pounds all the very best of British. :P :wink:

    No question Dear boy,particularly as

    Puffin billy

    returned lame,that was never his form! Glad we didn’t have a little wager eh Sir? :wink:

    #429139
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    No question Dear boy,particularly as

    Puffin billy

    returned lame,that was never his form! Glad we didn’t have a little wager eh Sir? :wink:

    On what ? :?

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    #429168
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    If you think Puffin Billy will finish in front of Melodic Rendezvous, should they meet again, then I wish you and your apparently inexhaustible amount of betting pounds all the very best of British. :P :wink:

    On the above dear boy,on the above! :wink:

    #429179
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    If you think Puffin Billy will finish in front of Melodic Rendezvous, should they meet again, then I wish you and your apparently inexhaustible amount of betting pounds all the very best of British. :P :wink:

    On the above dear boy,on the above! :wink:

    Oh, phew, thank goodness. For a moment there I thought you had a mind to don your worn out boxing gloves and biff me about my delicate head in order to win an easy fiver. :shock: :wink:

    As for Puffin Billy v Melodic Rendezvous re-match : I only give betting money to those bookie chaps. However, I cannot envisage the Puffin one gaining any sort of revenge. Fill your boots on Betfair if you trust the outcome will be very different next time.

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    #429327
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    I am a big Puffin Billy fan and notice the two of them are entered in the Neptune Hurdle on Saturday – should be a cracker if they do both run.

    On the grounds that I think Puffin Billy is the classier of the two and is capable of defeating TNO I would be inclined to sell now rather than wait and become bitterly disappointed (just like the owners of Cue Card and Dunguib did).

    I think you may wish to re-assess your appraisal of Puffin Billy following his run behind Melodic Rendezvous at Exeter today, where he has made to look rather less than top class.

    That said, I did wonder at the tactics employed by Oliver Sherwood/ Leighton Aspell. Having won his previous races – albeit against poorer opposition – by putting the horse to sleep out the back, before cruising to victory; Aspell ( or Sherwood ? ) decided to try and take the sting out of Meldoic Rendezous’s finishing speed by attempting to more or less make all.

    Whether the tactics were to blame or not, he was fully exposed by a much better horse. :shock:

    I agree the tactics seemed odd, especially given the testing ground. Seemed to set the race up for Melodic.

    However Sherwood has now confirmed the horse was suffering from a "corny puffy foot that had burst". I would keep the faith and on a better surface he could actually provide some e/w value at the festival.

    I must ask why Aspell didnt pull the horse up as the 2nd last jump was that of either a very tired horse or, as now appears likely, one that wasnt sound.

    I am becoming puzzled by Aspell. On Many Clouds at Wetherby he gave the leader an unassailable lead. Post race, pnce the EBF Final was revealed as the target it seemed to become evident that he was probably told to keep the handicap mark in mind. Yet at Exeter he commits the horse early and gives the horse an inspired ride – but in the process scuppering the chances of getting into the EBF Final on a realistic mark.

    #432688
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    Some good judges on this thread :D

    He should scoop a couple of Champion Hurdles before his Gold Cup wins

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    Good luck today
    Joe

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    I’ve been disappointed with how The New One has been campaigned this season. There are five Grade 1 two mile hurdles in the UK and Ireland before Cheltenham, and he won’t have ran in any of them.

    Meanwhile, Jezki and Hurricane Fly have been serving up great duels and Willie Mullins has been able ease Faugheen into open Grade 1 company with the minimum of fuss.

    Surely a horse of The New One’s ability should have more than two top level victories, especially when the Fighting Fifth was there for the taking.

    #501304
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    I’ve been disappointed with how The New One has been campaigned this season. There are five Grade 1 two mile hurdles in the UK and Ireland before Cheltenham, and he won’t have ran in any of them.

    Not correct. He won the "Bula" and before that the new valuable two mile hurdle run at Haydock to spoil the Fighting Fifth.

    #501305
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    I’ve been disappointed with how The New One has been campaigned this season. There are five Grade 1 two mile hurdles in the UK and Ireland before Cheltenham, and he won’t have ran in any of them.

    Not correct. He won the "Bula" and before that the new valuable two mile hurdle run at Haydock to spoil the Fighting Fifth.

    Notwithstanding that the new Haydock race (unclassified) and the Bula (Grade 2) were worth more then the Fighting Fifth (Grade 1) (veiled dig at ARC who own Newcastle).

    #501307
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    I’ve been disappointed with how The New One has been campaigned this season. There are five Grade 1 two mile hurdles in the UK and Ireland before Cheltenham, and he won’t have ran in any of them.

    Not correct. He won the "Bula" and before that the new valuable two mile hurdle run at Haydock to spoil the Fighting Fifth.

    Notwithstanding that the new Haydock race (unclassified) and the Bula (Grade 2) were worth more then the Fighting Fifth (Grade 1) (veiled dig at ARC who own Newcastle).

    That new Haydock race has really screwed Newcastle. I like to see the top horses taking in the Grade 1 races, we’ll see The New One’s name in a pedigree in a sales catalogue in years to come and that Haydock race won’t get any mention.

    Also, I don’t know how an opinion can be ‘not correct’ Phil. The only indisputable fact in the paragraph you have quoted is exactly that.

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