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I was disappointed today by The new One. It was his toughest test and he I expected him to win convincingly.
I see his jockey is blaming himself ("If I’d held on to him we’d have won"). He did come too soon but that’s a hindsight comment so young Sam shouldn’t be too hard on himself.
He’ll ride him differently at the Festival and hopefully the ground will be better. The burst of pace he showed to take it up was striking, especially in that cloying ground.
Given his turn of foot and the ease with which he travels, I should think they must at least be thinking of The Supreme. I’ve had an insurance bet at big prices in case he goes there as he’d have a huge chance; in fact, it would be my preferred race.
He’s a very athletic mover; a slick hurdling technique would help enormously and I think a faster pace might well help him jump better.
I don’t think that he really appreciated the ground today.
That said , I thought that Twiston Davies went on too soon, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
McCoy outrode him in the finish in my view, and should be applauded for a cracking ride.Given his turn of foot and the ease with which he travels, I should think they must at least be thinking of The Supreme. I’ve had an insurance bet at big prices in case he goes there as he’d have a huge chance; in fact, it would be my preferred race.
I think punters must be very grateful you don’t train him. No wonder you got a big price as he isn’t a good enough jumper to seriously entertain any ideas of running in a Supreme. He still has his chance in the Neptune but he will need to bounce back from a pretty hard race today.
I was disappointed today by The new One. It was his toughest test and he I expected him to win convincingly.
I see his jockey is blaming himself ("If I’d held on to him we’d have won"). He did come too soon but that’s a hindsight comment so young Sam shouldn’t be too hard on himself.
He’ll ride him differently at the Festival and hopefully the ground will be better. The burst of pace he showed to take it up was striking, especially in that cloying ground.
Given his turn of foot and the ease with which he travels, I should think they must at least be thinking of The Supreme. I’ve had an insurance bet at big prices in case he goes there as he’d have a huge chance; in fact, it would be my preferred race.
He’s a very athletic mover; a slick hurdling technique would help enormously and I think a faster pace might well help him jump better.
Total nonsense. He ran a great race on bad ground and just got beaten by a better horse on the day. You were never going to get a slick performance on today’s ground
I was disappointed today by The new One. It was his toughest test and he I expected him to win convincingly.
I see his jockey is blaming himself ("If I’d held on to him we’d have won"). He did come too soon but that’s a hindsight comment so young Sam shouldn’t be too hard on himself.
He’ll ride him differently at the Festival and hopefully the ground will be better. The burst of pace he showed to take it up was striking, especially in that cloying ground.
Given his turn of foot and the ease with which he travels, I should think they must at least be thinking of The Supreme. I’ve had an insurance bet at big prices in case he goes there as he’d have a huge chance; in fact, it would be my preferred race.
He’s a very athletic mover; a slick hurdling technique would help enormously and I think a faster pace might well help him jump better.
Total nonsense
Any particular part more nonsensical than the rest?
Don’t be too despondent of The New One. Think opinion beforehand has effected your reasoning of this run Steeple. Impressive last time but didn’t beat much and hyped afterwards by trainer and Channel 4. Not that he didn’t/doesn’t have great potential. Showed speed today that will stand him in good stead if it turns good/good-soft come March. Jumped better and form is better than Warwick so still improving.
I backed At fisher’s Cross today. Handicap form is often underestimated by bookies and punters alike. It’s sometimes just as good as graded novice form. Rebecca’s horse’s jumping is also getting better by the run. Anyone seeing the Newbury win was amazed he won at all, let alone that easily. Then improved to win a handicap at this venue; form that wasn’t far off the other two main runners. He also earmarked those wins with a turn of foot once asked for his effort (albeit usually at the longer trip of 3 miles). Ground conditions today saw runners needing stamina required of a good ground 3 mile race.
At Fishers Cross is one for the Albert Bartlett and The New One definitely one for Neptune. There’s no way he’d be fast enough for 2 miles on a sound surface and the faster pace will place more (not less) emphasis/pressure on jumping. I’m seriously considering backing both first and second for their obvious Festival targets. Trouble is, AFC is also second favourite for the Pertemps.
Value Is EverythingToday’s effort could well look very good in time. The ground in March may well be significantly different and I’m not sure what today’s events will have told us. In fact there may be more bum steers than telling clues.
Conditions looked tough enough today but they didn’t appear to be finishing legless in any of the races so I’m not sure, with six or seven weeks or so still to go, that today’s runs will have left any indelible marks.
On better ground in a rematch I’d go for The New One but with no great confidence.
He’s about half the bloody size of that horse for starters and like I say has No scope to develop on his diminuative frame so as for winning one Gold cup,not a chance,
Having seen him in the flesh today all I can say is he’s nothing special to look at,smallest horse in the field and not a natural looking Chaser!
Coneygree
is a Chaser mind when the time comes.
Coneygree
is a Chaser mind when the time comes.
Possibly on soft/heavy Gord, no firner than that. Coneygree has a very rounded action.
Value Is EverythingImpressive last time but didn’t beat much and hyped afterwards by trainer and Channel 4
He may have hyped him as a long term prospect however he was also quoted by the RP following the Warwick race as follows: "I´m not sure what he beat there".
He was right to say that, as today’s events have proven, The Bew One’s Cheltenham form of November providing a more realistic measure of his ability. .
One always has to give a horse another chance, however can’t buy the jockey’s excuse of having gone too soon – the horse was in the lead a long way from home at Warwick, he simply came up against a far classier animal today who wasn’t prepared to go down without a fight. TNO has finished 12l in front of Coneygree, and if you took the winner out of the equation we would all be saying TNO is the new Denman. He is clearly a good horse but no superstar imo.
I still have the faith in Puffin Bay who is due to run at Exeter’s next meeting, prior to taking in the Supreme Novices, in which case he will miss a clash with TNO. In my humble opinion it was the ground that persuaded Sherwood to withdraw his star, not fear of TNO – Billy oozes class and the 12/1 available for the Festival may long very long indeed come March.
I reckon it’s a bit soon to write The New One off. Those who hyped him the highest have only themselves to blame for the disappointment they felt after Saturday’s race. To my eye, he came there to win his race and looked like he would win by ten lengths or more. The jockey is talking bull about going too soon, the horse simply tired in the ground. The New One will not turn five years of age in true chronological terms until the end of next month. On better ground I’d have him all the way over At Fisher’s Cross if they met again. I agree that he is not the big, stuffy type that Twiston-Davies can sometimes wring improvement out of but I believe there is a bit of an obsession in some camps with big horses. John Francome used to get a milk bottle in his trousers every time the biggest horse in the field came into the paddock. Plenty other horses are given seemingly endless opportunities to come good again, none more than the bitterly disappointing Grands Crus, who has had more chances than a Monopoly Board factory. Keep the faith!!
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I was disappointed today by The new One. It was his toughest test and he I expected him to win convincingly.
I see his jockey is blaming himself ("If I’d held on to him we’d have won"). He did come too soon but that’s a hindsight comment so young Sam shouldn’t be too hard on himself.
He’ll ride him differently at the Festival and hopefully the ground will be better. The burst of pace he showed to take it up was striking, especially in that cloying ground.
Given his turn of foot and the ease with which he travels, I should think they must at least be thinking of The Supreme. I’ve had an insurance bet at big prices in case he goes there as he’d have a huge chance; in fact, it would be my preferred race.
He’s a very athletic mover; a slick hurdling technique would help enormously and I think a faster pace might well help him jump better.
Agreed
Also think Sam doesn’t realise how good the winner is. At Fishers Cross is improving quickly and must be a dilemma between Neptune or AB.
Thought he ran well yesterday but I feel at aintree on a fast track he will come into his own.
Steve,
I think it was fair comment by STD. As you say, the horse was dog-tired at the end and Sam said the same thing. But by holding on to him and not going for broke so far out in that ground, he’d probably have had a fair bit more left, not least that striking turn of foot. Few jumpers have that gear change and it’s almost always better kept for the business end when competition is hot.
I see NTD now says he will have a Supreme entry. If the ground comes up soft, my guess is they will go for that.
My immediate post race comment was,
…went too early !
I stand by that.
Especially on that ground.
I also think young Sam panicked when he suddenly realised that a certain Mr. McCoy was on his tail.
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Agreed
Also think Sam doesn’t realise how good the winner is. At Fishers Cross is improving quickly and must be a dilemma between Neptune or AB.
Unless it comes up a bog Mark, AFC will run in either Albert Bartlett (most likely) or Pertemps Final. On "better" ground he’ll need further than Saturday’s trip.
Value Is EverythingMy immediate post race comment was,
…went too early !
I stand by that.
Especially on that ground.
I also think young Sam panicked when he suddenly realised that a certain Mr. McCoy was on his tail.
Ground it is bound to make it stamina test H. However, judged by the fact all principles travelled well until the turn and Racing Post 51 seconds slower than standard (compared to other races on the day) it was not as truly run as you’d imagine. So being in behind both Conergree and At Fishers Cross coming in to the straight – Sam did the right thing asking when he did. Otherwise one or both the others may have got first run. Not many horses can change gear on a holding surface and Sam was (imo) just unfortunate to find another horse with a good turn of foot in such circumstances. I saw no panicking and they both went right away from the third. Neither of the front pair looked as though they were stopping passing the post.
Both horses could be top novices.
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