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  • #1605835
    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    My latest argument with GT got me thinking.

    We’ve all got our own idea about the political spectrum and where we sit on it.

    So I thought it would be fun to create categories, put a few politicians into them, then add some forumites.

    The categories are: Right, Centre Right, Centre, Centre Left, Left.

    I suppose there’s Far Right and Far Left but for me this is kinda Britain First and Communist etc Party territory and outside the Tory and Labour Partys.

    I’m aware that there’s authoritarian and libertarian ways of viewing it too, but cba with all that.

    For me, the Lib Dems are centre, moderate One Nation Tories are centre right, the rest are Right, and for Labour the moderates like Starmer are centre left and the rest are Left.

    Right
    Jacob Rees-Mogg
    Rishi Sunak

    Centre Right
    David Cameron
    Ken Clarke
    Michael Heseltine

    Centre
    Lib Dems

    Centre Left
    Keir Starmer
    Me!

    Left
    Jeremy Corbyn
    Dianne Abbot

    There’s a few to be getting on the with.

    Where do YOU sit on this spectrum?

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    #1605854
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    I started off with the view point of voting for the people and the policies
    and was left with the below

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    #1605857
    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    I’ve got you down as centre, or centre left, based on my scale, Nathan.

    Am I on the money?

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    #1605861
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    Extreme Right:
    Hitler, Musolini, National Front, BNP, EDL

    Right:
    (UKIP / Reform) Farage, Ann Widdecombe / (Conservative) Steve Baker, Braverman, Bridgen, Dorries, Francois, Leadsom, McVey, Patel, Raab, Redwood, Rees-Mogg, Shapps, Duncan-Smith, Swayne, Truss, Maggie Thatcher.

    Somewhere between Right and Centre-Right:
    (Conservative) Boris Johnson

    Centre-Right:
    (Conservative) Badenoch, Barclay, Buckland, Greg Clark, Cleverley, Gove, Damian Green, Jeremy Hunt, Javid, Kwateng, May, Mordaunt, Ross, Sharma, Sunak, Wallace, Zahawi, John Major / I am here.

    Somewhere between Centre-Right and Centre:
    (Conservative) Tugendhat, David Cameron, Ruth Davidson, David Davis

    Centre:
    (Conservative) Kenneth Clark, Michael Heseltine, Rory Stewart, Halfon, Mercer, Noakes, Tugendhat / (Labour) Blair, Roy Hattersley, Caroline Flint, Bradshaw, Hodge, Kendall / (Independant) Gisela Stuart / (Liberal or SDP) Nick Clegg, David Steel, Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Shirley Williams

    Centre-Left:
    (Labour) Hilary Benn, Bryant, Yvette Cooper, Creasy, Angela Eagle, Harman, Jarvis, Steven Kinnock, Nandy, Phillips, Powell, Reeves, Starmer, David Milliband, Gordon Brown, Denis Healy / (Scottish Nationalist) Cherry, / (Liberal) Ed Davy, Farron,

    Somewhere between Centre-Left and Left:
    (Labour) Neil Kinnock, Harold Wilson / (Scottish Nationalists) Sturgeon, Blackford / (Liberal) Moran

    Left:
    (Labour) Beckett, Dodds, Gardiner, Haigh, Lammy, Ed Milliband, Raynor, Streeting, Thornberry, Whitehead / (Green) Bartley

    Extreme Left:
    Jinping, Lennin, Mao, Marx, Putin, Stalin, Trotsky / (Labour) Abbott, Long Bailey, Burgon, Butler, Corbyn, Lewis, McDonnell, Ken Livingstone, Tony Benn, Michael Foot / (Green) Lucas

    Anyone from Centre-Right to Centre-Left is a “moderate”.

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    #1605876
    Colin Phillips
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    Looking at GT’s list, I would admit to being Centre-left on most topics but veer further left when the Tories start taking the piss.

    #1605877
    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    Ginge: you include Farage but not Caroline Lucas. Where would you place her on your chart?

    #1605882
    clivexx
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    Pretty accurate list although there is socially liberal and economic. I’m very socially liberal. I’m right economically but steer well away from the gold standard rand paul nutters of t(e extreme libertarians who are certifiable and probably autistic

    Also the extreme right is very close and interchangeable wit the extreme left. Worth remembering that corbyn had strong support from duke griffin Irving and so on. The extreme lefts fawning over hard right extremely authoritarian Muslim regimes as well as Putin is another indicator

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    Just for you Glad’, have added Lucas and Barclay.

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    #1605900
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    I think many of us are like that, Clive.

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    #1605903
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Left Centre Ian..
    Centre has too much blue involved

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    #1605907
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    Cheers, Ginge. So in your eyes Lucas is on a par with Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Putin, etc…

    Your ratings are as about as reliable as Timeform’s these days.

    #1605912
    Avatar photoIanDavies
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    GT’s added extreme left category and contents therein is very telling.

    Though it doesn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know.

    I could create an extreme right one and put Thatcher in there with Mussolini – but that wouldn’t be grown-up politics either.

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    #1605914
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    GT, the first thing about Putin is him being a capitalist. The 2nd thing is him describing Jews as Nazis. I think he is a huge Nazi himself and pretty much far right.

    Otherwise it’s a good list.

    #1605919
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    Many don’t realise how far left the Greens in Britain are. They’re miles further left than the more sensible Green movement of most other European nations.

    No, Lucas is not “on a par with Mao, Stalin…” it’s a different kind of extreme left and has done some good things, some (eg on animal cruelty) that even I can agree with. However, that doesn’t alter where she stands in the list.

    Lucas has been vice president of the far left group Stop The War Coalition and is a fan of that organisation’s most well known face, Jeremy Corbyn; whose leadership campaign she wholeheartedly endorsed.

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    #1605921
    Avatar photoGingertipster
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    Putin is no capitalist, not like a western capitalist anyway.

    As others have said Ruby, the far left’s place is on many issues very close to the far right.

    Just look at how Jeremy Corbyn has got into trouble with his description of the jews.

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    #1605923
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    Of course some Extreme Right and Extreme Left are worse than others.

    Marx was the father of Communism and therefore has to be in the extreme left category, yet does not have blood on his hands like Stalin.

    ex-Shadow chancellor McDonnell has described himself as a Marxist.

    etc etc

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    #1605925
    Richard88
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    It’s a circle, not a spectrum. As has been said, go far enough one way or the other and you’ll meet them on the other side.

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