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To be fair, the statement that "no one can make money without inside information" isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s factually inaccurate.
However to attack him for his opinion by I assume people who do not know him is totally wrong.
We live in a free world where we can express our opinion and they should be respected, rightly or wrongly.
Mr Wilson was responsible for the first attack, which was generally about the corrupt nature of horse racing and those involved in it.
Did you really expect everyone to say "ok thats fine"? I for one think Mr Wilson should put his dummy back in and take it on the chin. I don’t think anyone would doubt there is wrongdoing in racing but as there is so much good, pocket talking is never going to go down well.
at the end of the day you won’t get nowhere as a punter in this game without info I can assure you that.
I posted selections on here for a year in the Lays and Plays and showed a 142 point profit. I don’t have any inside information. Am I just lucky?
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No idea.
It’s unfortunate Mr Wilson has taken the action he has, not least because he is punishing himself more than others.
Racing forums are all about opinions, and this one is where it is because opinions are often better informed than elsewhere, and anyone making sweeping generalisations is likely to find them challenged, as MW was by any number of posters.
If he then, rather than take up that challenge, chooses to tell us how well-read he is, then it is only fair to point out to him that a quick scan of this forum would reveal a number of people who manage to pick winners without the aid of ‘inside information’, as Carv has clearly demonstrated.
Harsh though it may be, the stark reality is that he is working under a misapprehension – and a dangerous one for other aspiring punters to be led into, (particularly by one who sets himself up as a professional bettor).. Is that really any good to anyone?at the end of the day you won’t get nowhere as a punter in this game without info I can assure you that.
I posted selections on here for a year in the Lays and Plays and showed a 142 point profit. I don’t have any inside information. Am I just lucky?
Probably more due to hard work, skill and experience than luck. However a reasonable number of punters have successful periods of 12 months or so when they will manage to make a decent profit from horses racing. Pricewise in the RP and numerous racing tipsters ( but some will claim inside information ! ) boast a similar success over a duration of one year but can then not maintain it over a longer period. A truer test is to make a decent profit over a period of at least 5 years in my opinion.
Mr Wilson has obviously failed to make his betting pay by studying the form book etc and has concluded that it is impossible for anybody to do so without inside knowledge but he is incorrect. It is possible but only a minority ( possibly about 2 per cent ? ) manage to do it in the long term.
Pete
The only way I can turn a profit is to be A Scaredy Cat Type Punter, laying horses on Betfair that are hopelessly outclassed, such as Monaazalah in the listed contest at Sandown this afternoon. I laid it at 65 in the place market which to me is a value bet. I’m putting a lot at risk to win very little but this way has got me to 21 trades with an unblemished record. I will carry on this way until I get it wrong and then I will find an alternative strategy.
Rest assured that you will get it wrong and at those odds once will be enough to wipe out your profits and then some. You are the equivalent of Naseem Taleb’s outwardly sucessful trader who blew up. Backing offers better value than laying on Betfair at the outer end of the market even if you need a lot more patience.
The only way I can turn a profit is to be A Scaredy Cat Type Punter, laying horses on Betfair that are hopelessly outclassed, such as Monaazalah in the listed contest at Sandown this afternoon. I laid it at 65 in the place market which to me is a value bet. I’m putting a lot at risk to win very little but this way has got me to 21 trades with an unblemished record. I will carry on this way until I get it wrong and then I will find an alternative strategy.
The thinking of a total moron. I laid an odds on shot yesterday which lost so I’m already miles ahead of you by your own measurement. Why do people justify the laying of huge priced outsiders in terms of strike rate? You’d need to be doing it for twenty years just to determine if you were getting value. Jesus wept.
I could send Rory’s insult back to him with knobs on but I won’t bother, I just won’t bother. After all cyber abuse is the same shade as the silks of Sheikh Ahmed Al Maktoum.
Most of my lays are in the 8-20 range that 65 was an extreme case and I wouldn’t go beyond that. Between 1993 and 2007 I made less than 10 bets so I’m just feeling my way back into it and seeing what works for me. OK !!!
Rio de Janeiro in the 4.50 at Goodwood might be my lay of the day, Best seen over hurdles recently, carrying top on soft ground after an absence of 4 months. (a year on flat)
Win or place market, not sure yet.
No mention of Monaazalah’s superb display yesterday, Spitfire? With hindsight (that wonderful thing) I don’t think laying that 65 a place the other day was all that clever, was it?
Not much of an insult as far as insults go .. he just seems to be merely pointing out the need for statistical evidence which the more informed punter seems to go for these days, rather than lucky pens, rabbit’s feet and what have you.
Not even a yellow card in my book.
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