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  • #239355
    Avatar photoAndrew Hughes
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    That is a good point about swing, Clivex. There is an extensive treatment of the subject in the late Bob Woolmer’s book, including many many diagrams of air-flow, turbulence and drag. I am still trying to work my way through it.

    Going back to the impersonation of bowlers, I can remember attempting a Graham Dilley impersonation in the nets as a teenager – he didn’t just have a long run up but it started somewhere near widish long off before following a gentle curve into the stumps, and a sudden, momentum-shattering pause before finally letting go of the ball.

    #239358
    Getzippy
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    England did well to escape…credit to the second half of the batting order, esp Colly.

    However, let’s be realistic, we were very near to being stuffed…not often we’re thankful for the rain!

    I thought the series would be close, but looking at the 1st test, the Aussies do look better.

    Why did Ponting bowl North at the end? Was it because he was trying to get through the overs coz of the time thing?

    Surely Johnson was worth a burst as a final throw of the dice?

    Was pretty gripping stuff and I totally agree with the forumite that mentioned test match cricket being superior to 20/20.

    It would be such a shame if they tampered with it – only the further use of floodlights would make any sense.

    England are appalling at Lord’s….

    Zip

    #239363
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    I did enjoy the spurious visit of the physio to check on the wellbeing of Anderson and Panesar. Got Ricky good and cross.

    From a past-master of dragging his feet, any register of annoyance from yer man Punter rings a bit hollow. Per http://www.thaindian.com, November 25th, 2008;

    Melbourne, Nov 25 (IANS) Australian captain Ricky Ponting is once again under heavy fire for being unable to maintain over rates in the first Test against New Zealand.Ponting, who has a history of falling short of stipulated overs in Test matches, was at the receiving end for being three overs behind at Brisbane. Ponting was fined 30 per cent of his match fee and his players 15 per cent each.

    Ponting faced a similar problem in India but shifted the blame squarely on the batsmen and ground conditions.

    Former Australian captain Ian Chappell said statistics show that Ponting’s excuses in India were hollow.

    “That is a smokescreen. In a number of other series in different countries, Australia’s over-rates have been even worse than they were in India,” Chappell was quoted as saying in The Australian.

    “The art of placing a field has not varied much from when Dennis Lillee was Australia’s chief strike bowler, and Ashley Mallett the leading off-spinner.”

    “It’s difficult to understand why Ponting needs to engage in long, drawn-out conversations with his bowlers, which is the main cause of Australia’s slow over-rate.”

    Cricket Australia (CA) issued a stern message to Ponting.

    “The Australian team clearly needs to look into the reasons why it has not, in recent times, been on top of its game in regard to over rates. The rules and regulations are very clear and we are falling behind, which is not good enough,” CA chief executive James Sutherland said.

    A quick look will reveal that Australian team under Ponting have always dawdled through its overs.

    Ponting-led teams have never averaged more than the minimum of 15 overs per hour in any series since he took over from Steve Waugh for the series in Sri Lanka in 2003-04.

    The best over-rate Ponting’s team has averaged in any Test series is 14.74 per hour against Sri Lanka in Australia in 2004.

    That is still short of the mark of 15 overs an hour set down by the International Cricket Council (ICC).

    Australia’s slowest over-rate in any series under Ponting was 12.78 per hour against the West Indies in the Caribbean this year — while the Indian tour last month (13.38 ) was the third worst.

    As captain, Ponting is faring far worse with his over-rate dilemmas than his predecessors Waugh, Mark Taylor and Allan Border.

    “If a captain follows a few simple rules, he won’t go far wrong. He should aim to place as many fielders in the region where a catch is most likely to go, and ensure taking wickets is his main objective.

    “Saving singles is the next priority, with boundaries running a distant third. But saving boundaries ranks too high on Ponting’s priority scale.”

    Jeremy
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    #239386
    Avatar photoMDeering
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    England did well to escape…credit to the second half of the batting order, esp Colly.

    Full credit also goes to the fat blob and his two trips down to the pitch, ensuring Swann wasted enough time not to encounter another Siddle over before tea.

    Who (Swann) then proceeded to attempt 10 practice forward strokes and garden the wicket for 30 seconds.

    Channelling India’s infamous cricketing heritage – all in a good day’s work!

    But yes, Collingwood did play a very solid innings similar to Jacques Rudolph at the WACA ground a few years back.

    #239410
    Avatar photoAndrew Hughes
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    Full credit also goes to the fat blob and his two trips down to the pitch

    I stand to be corrected, but as far as I am aware, Warne wasn’t playing in this Test.

    ( :oops: )

    It was time wasting of the most blatant kind, but I have no doubt that Ricky would have done the same. And there are few things more amusing than an Australian captain complaining about violations of the spirit of the game. I even heard Ian Chappell trying it (on a different subject) earlier in the match. Most amusing.

    #239436
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    What’s the news with Brett Lee, will he be back for Lords? if so who will be dropped? Hilfenhaus was the pick of the bowlers at Cardiff, Siddle and Johnson seem highly thought of and Hauritz is their main spinner and i think it would be a mistake to leave him out, not keen on the part time spin options.

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #239476
    Avatar photoAndrew Hughes
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    I don’t know whether Lee will be fit for Lord’s. I think they will probably go with the same team.

    Speaking of selection, there is talk of England only playing one spinner. In recent times Lord’s has been a shirtfront, so I am surprised at this. Are we expecting something different from headquarters this year?

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    Obviously hypercritical of the aussies to complain about bad sportsmanship regarding the time wasting but two wrongs do not make a right – if a team can’t win in any sport without reverting to ‘ cheating ‘ then where is the satisfaction of gaining victory when neutrals will have no respect for them or feel envious of them ?

    #239718
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    Has The Lord’s Test (a highlight of the British sporting summer) ever before coincided with The Open (a highlight of the British sporting summer) :?

    the older I get, the less I understand

    #239739
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Don’t worry too much Drone, all you have to understand is that the ECB chairman Giles Clarke regularly makes mistakes.

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #239942
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    Freddy is bowling some serious wheels at Clarke!

    #239982
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    It will be interesting to see if England enforce the follow-on astoday’s weather is suppose to be nice and the ball might not swing as much but on the other hand Botham said the pitch should start to slow after today. Would the bowlers need a rest or would they be pumped up and should go for the kill? Lords over the last couple of years has flattened out the longer the game has gone on so i would stick them back in. Just need the two wickets first.

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #240000
    Avatar photoDrone
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    Blowers, Tuffers and the annoying Alec enjoyed a rather smug chat after stumps yesterday concering the whys and wherefores of enforcing the follow-on, as if Oz had actually been bowled out:.

    It is

    likely

    they won’t reach 236 with 8 wickets already down but not

    definite

    , lest we forget England’s generally piss-poor record of skittling-out tailenders.

    It is likely the remaining three days will see several – probably short – interruptions for rain; that being the case England (if given the opportunity) must enforce the follow-on and hope to bowl Oz out for a score that would leave England requiring no more than 200 to win on the final day, rather than bat again first and set Australia a hefty target, which in all likelihood would result in an Oz ‘dig-in’ draw.

    Despite the decent display from England’s bowlers so far I still have rather more faith in Australia’s batsmen when it comes to playing out a defensive draw, particularly on – as others have mentioned – what is likely to be an increasingly benign pitch, with only Swann available as a front-line spinner.

    IMVVVHO

    #240006
    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Agree with that Drone, and with Australia’s strength being their batting i would of thought that England would want as much time to get the 10 wickets needed as possible then back themselves to chase whatever was set them. i think it will end in a draw now.

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

    #240078
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    Every second with the bat in hand is a second wasted at this stage. Strauss needs to get them in immediately to make a positive statement – one that says, "We’re not scared to win this…."

    Anything other than a win from here would be monumental failure :x

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