Home › Forums › Big Races – Discussion › Sussex Stakes 2011
- This topic has 63 replies, 30 voices, and was last updated 14 years, 6 months ago by
Ian.
- AuthorPosts
- July 11, 2011 at 12:07 #19156
Is it a 2 horse race anyway as long as Tom rides him right FRANKEL will win. 3yos have a great record in race and can’t see Canford giving weight away and beating Frankel. only way he do it is if Tom has a shocker which may happen.Been backing him at 11/8.
July 11, 2011 at 19:47 #364323Have to say I’m suprised looking at the runners for this that Frankel is rated 3Lbs higher than Canford Cliffs. Hasn’t CC done/achieved alot more and beaten better opponents?
The weight allowance will most likely win the day but as a slow pace may be the best way of beating Canford Cliffs, I might have an e/w flutter on Dream Ahead reversing the form. If it turns into a sprint, he’s no 33/1 shot.July 11, 2011 at 22:16 #364340I’d be surprised if Frankel gets Canford off the bridle.
July 12, 2011 at 00:42 #364349I’d be surprised if Frankel gets Canford off the bridle.
Really!! Do you believe an unbeaten winner of Royal Lodge, Dewhurst, 2000 Guineas and St.James’s Palace, who has shown sustained blistering pace (he had the Guineas won at half way), cannot get Canford Cliffs off the bridle???
Canford is a tip top miler and until the emergence of Frankel probably the best miler we’ve seen since Rock of Gibraltar. He would have to be the greatest of all time to beat Frankel on the bridle.
Ignoring his last run, where Frankel was given what can generously be described as an ill judged ride, it was Frankel who many good judges were comparing to other greats like The Brig and Tudor Minstrel.
I think the question should be, can Canford be on the bridle and within 3 or 4 lengths of Frankel inside the last 2 furlongs, because that’s only way I envisage a Canford win.
July 12, 2011 at 07:45 #364357I’d be surprised if Frankel gets Canford off the bridle.

"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
July 12, 2011 at 20:30 #364466I’d be surprised if Frankel gets Canford off the bridle.
Really!! Do you believe an unbeaten winner of Royal Lodge, Dewhurst, 2000 Guineas and St.James’s Palace, who has shown sustained blistering pace (he had the Guineas won at half way), cannot get Canford Cliffs off the bridle???
Canford is a tip top miler and until the emergence of Frankel probably the best miler we’ve seen since Rock of Gibraltar. He would have to be the greatest of all time to beat Frankel on the bridle.
Ignoring his last run, where Frankel was given what can generously be described as an ill judged ride, it was Frankel who many good judges were comparing to other greats like The Brig and Tudor Minstrel.
I think the question should be, can Canford be on the bridle and within 3 or 4 lengths of Frankel inside the last 2 furlongs, because that’s only way I envisage a Canford win.
A good 3yo against a group of bad, bad horses. That’s all he is.
July 12, 2011 at 20:57 #364470Zark – I see you have downgraded "rancid" to "bad, bad" – I suppose you had to do that after Dream Ahead at the weekend!

"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
July 12, 2011 at 21:51 #364478I have tipped Frankel to win, and for him to do that, he will have to get Canford Cliffs "off the bridle" – and that is exactly what he will happen, at some stage of the race.
Here’s my take on how the race will unfold.
The few runners in the field will set off at an even gallop, headed by Sir Henry’s pacemaker of choice.

Frankel will sit just off the pace as Hughsie views the prceedings from the tail end.

The pacemaker ( one of the Prince’s finest ) kicks on and Tom Queally takes that as his cue to up gear slightly on Frankel. The others jockey for postion as Canford Cliffs is now strategically positioned a couple of lengths from Frankels quarters.
Just over two to run now and the race is about to get serious. Frankel zooms past his pacemaker and momentarily catches Hughsie half sleeping and in doing so has managed to slip the field by three lenghths.

Frankel isn’t stopping as they enter the final furlong as frantic and determined Richard Hughes pushes Canford Cliffs within a length and a half of Frankel –
but in doing so has expended most of his horse’s (and his) energy and finishing kick. Tom Queally holds is nerve as he urges Frankel to maintain a strong gallop to the line, as a now exhausted, although brave Canford Cliffs tries in vain to close the ever diminishing gap.

Too late…
Frankel by one and a half lengths, is the judge’s verdict. The rest – nowhwere !

Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
July 12, 2011 at 22:39 #364485Can’t WAIT for this. Only slight problem is I’m at work that day and will have to suffer with something like an online radio commentary which will not suffice for the visual feast this race promises to be.
In any case, I dreamt last night that Frankel won the Sussex Stakes, despite Tom Queally dropping his reins at the furlong marker as Canford drew alongside. Problem is, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility…

If Queally holds on to Frankel until 2 out, he’ll win. If he goes off like a startled hare, he’ll just hand it on a plate to Canford.
July 12, 2011 at 23:24 #364487Zark – I see you have downgraded "rancid" to "bad, bad" – I suppose you had to do that after Dream Ahead at the weekend!

Well ‘rancid’ is fine on it’s own, a very strong superlative, whereas ‘bad, bad’ is repetition done for hyperbolic purposes.
And yes, Dream Ahead had to make me rethink my opinion. A 3yo sprinter beating an appalling load of sprinters really showed me how wrong I am…
Also helps when I have people agreeing with me. This chap certainly does.
Zarkava – for once I agree wih with you, we really do have a shocking bunch of sprinters.
July 13, 2011 at 17:35 #364576Fair enough – they ARE shocking but I have a feeling Dream Ahead isnt…..
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
July 13, 2011 at 21:27 #364606We’ve reached an agreement
July 15, 2011 at 22:26 #364817If Queally holds on to Frankel until 2 out, he’ll win. If he goes off like a startled hare, he’ll just hand it on a plate to Canford.
THIS.
July 16, 2011 at 19:08 #364893Probable the most important mile of the year and someone suggests that for Frankel to win Hughesie has to be caught napping. Very unlikely.Riding for Coolmore,afraid not.What then will be the result?
July 21, 2011 at 21:39 #365395I notice you can still get 1/5 odds first 3 with some bookmakers. Dick Turpin at 16/1 e/w is the value.
July 25, 2011 at 05:10 #365712Looking back on his other races the perfect ride for Frankel came in the Royal Lodge. Tom Queally had him fairly relaxed for 4 furlongs then let him go taking up the running just inside the 3 furlong marker.
He was hardly flat out, he was racing alone yet recorded an amazingly fast time for the last 2 1/2 furlongs and not the slightest hint of him stopping.
While Sir Henry has said he will be ridden with more restraint I doubt if he means he’ll be tracking Canford Cliffs until the furlong marker and trying to beat him for toe.
If they did that CC wwould be in full flight by then and too close for comfort.
I will be very surprised if Tom Queally does not use Frankel’s amazing mid race ability to leave everything for dead like he did in the Royal Lodge and put this race to bed before it even starts.
July 25, 2011 at 06:32 #365721This looks like it could literally be a two or three horse race. Turpin is on the drift, a number of other horses are entered elsewhere.
Unusually the value bet is Canford 11/8 each way 1/5 first three. Difficult to see him coming out of the first two and the exchange odds confirm Canford as an each way arb.
- AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.