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    Avatar photoGerald
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    Royal Rosa for the National, perhaps? Class horse coming back from injury..nice spin round today. Didn’t he cost an absolute fortune years back when they bought him?

    Looked it up – 340,000 gns.

    His highest rating over fences has been 134, so he’ll have to surpass that to get into the race. Never mind, his sire might still be represented.

    Vic Venturi

    will go up for the Grand National?

    I’m thinking that it oughtn’t be more than 5-6 lbs, as the first three finished quite close together, and Phil Smith ought to have a good handle on the horse already, as it has run in most of the good Irish H’caps over the past year or more.

    #260026
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    Vic Venturi could easily go up 5-6lbs. He won by 5 lengths off top weight and Phil Smith may take a dim view of that. He wouldnt want him getting into the National too lightly….

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    That was a superb weight-carrying effort from Vic Venturi. Not unusual for the horse, though. He has given weight in big, competitve races before – twice when runner-up in the Pat Taffe Chase and when filling the same position in the Paddy Power Chase at Leopardstown.

    He’s the only one I would take out of the race with regard the Grand National. He’s a class horse, with some good form under both disciplines and goes on anything from good to heavy.

    He’s twice been well beaten in the Irish National, though, and that would be something of a worry for me.

    Keenan’s Future was one paced when sixth in the Northumberland National over four miles on soft ground, so I can’t see him having the necessary gears to be competitive against a better field in April.

    Royal Rosa has been well beaten in an Eider and Scottish National. He isn’t getting any younger, has had his problems and been more out than in during his last ten starts, or so. His last two efforts have been encouraging, though.

    Surprised some people say Palypso De Creek looked uneasy over the big fences. I thought he jumped well on only his second start in this country, first time over fences. He had some good form to his name in France and won over three miles in heavy conditions. Only six, I’m not sure he’s one fot he National this season, but he’s certainly one to keep an eye on.

    Hello Bud ran admirably, but he’ll be twelve next year and only one 12YO has won the race in the last ten runnings of the rcae.

    Vic Venturi won with a bit of authority, but the remainder were just too close together for a three mile-two race on testing ground and the Grand National should be another solid renewal this year, with some very good horses potentially lining up.

    It will be a different experience for them come April – about 30 more runners for starters.

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    I think this race could now be the undoing of Vic Venturi’s National bid as winning this race was for Mr Pointment and I hazard to guess would have been for Black Apalachi earlier this year.

    Those who read the build up to last season’s race will know I put up Vic Venturi as my dark horse before the entries were made in January 09 and he didn’t even get one but at the time I was forgiving him his first attempt in the Irish National. A year later and despite now winning at Aintree I find it harder to forgive his second attempt at Fairyhouse when holding every chance but fading.

    Well done today VV, he definitely handled the conditions the best, but he made some errors, which with 39 others around him in April, he will not be able to make and I feel he will need Denman to run because he will be on, I suspect, 156 in April. For me he hasn’t shown he can stay four miles plus.

    In my opinion, I have to say that the most eyecatching performance for me so far this season, the one that made me sit up a bit with Aintree in mind, has come from Cane Brake.

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    On the Palypso De Creek jumping issue, he was slow at one fence (the 3rd??) but was putting himself right, and seemed okay at the others, from what I noticed of him.

    I was going to write I hadn’t noticed that Cane Brake had run this season, but when I checked I found it was over hurdles, so I forgive myself.

    Last year, they were going for the Gold Cup weren’t they, but couldn’t get the horse ready in time, changed the target to the National, and then scrapped that as well.

    Can the National be read into the hurdle races, or are they just being sensible exploiting a hurdle mark that is 30 lbs lower than the chase one?

    On Vic Venturi, I’m prepared to forgive the Irish National runs – I think one was the 6th run in 5 months, and the other was the 7th run in 6 months. He’s going to have a break now, and then a hurdle run and one in the Bobbyjo, so he ought to be okay for Aintree. He

    ought

    to stay, which is one of the reasons KC fancied him in the first place. edit: It is just a question of weight though, isn’t it? Might be worth a play in the Place market if he came close to double figures.

    #260045
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    The season Numbersix won the National he was campaigned over hurdles and every time he was outpaced and then was charging on at the end of his races.

    Cane Brake’s latest run was very encouraging and made me cast my mind back to Numbersix.

    Not saying he will win but for me just the most eyecatching performance I have seen thus far as he was motoring at the end and wasn’t stopping after being outpaced turning for home. Connections are most likely protecting his chase mark of 150 (although I can see Phil Smith giving him less) and I can now see why.

    He obviously retains some of his ability and the horse he finished behind giving 19lbs in his first outing this season didn’t look to shabby in the Troytown today!

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    You had better follow it. Two of the three performances I saw this year that made me think Ayr Gold Cup were by Regal Parade, but when he wasn’t entered I didn’t have the brains to back him for the Vernons.

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    Vic Venturi Im glad won cause I backed him, from favourite to 7/1, people must have been keen mad on the NTD pair, I thought it was looking bad for Vic Venturi as his jumping wasn’t great, but he seemed to have a different gear when required which has won him the race in style.

    I really like Irish Raptor but he never has raced well in this and we didnt get to see his best today since well he threw AP off from the 1st fence. I think he will be a different kettle of fish come April.

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    VV seemed to need a lot of organising at his fences, which was fine in this small field but he didn’t look like a natural National winner for me.

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    What we need to remember is that Clan Royal had never won over 2 miles 5 before winning the Becher in ’03, similar to Vic, so there’s certainly no just way of saying he

    won’t

    stay in the National. Clan Royal had only won 2, 5 in April 2003. One year later he was runner up in the National… resemblance?

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