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Added King Of Steel 10-1 for now. He’s starting to give me Kingston Hill vibes. Will nudge it down to one or two picks at some point.
King Of Steel is another one I could see dropping to 1m2f at some stage.
I really like CAS’s filly for this – she’s the one who looks to me like she’s crying out for this sort of trip.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"King Of Steel may be out of a stayer, but is by miler / Wootton Bassett.
More to the point, King Of Steel travelled into today’s race very well.
So unless that changes in his next couple of races – as Ian says – a drop back in trip is more likely than upping.
…And if he were to win the Irish Derby would be very doubtful whether he’d go to Donny anyway.Value Is Everything“…And if he were to win the Irish Derby would be very doubtful whether he’d go to Donny anyway.”
Capri did. Hurricane Lane did. Santiago did.
…And many many others didn’t, Mike.
Type of horse is the thing.All those three you mention were obvious middle-distance stayers who would – in the best company -struggle without the emphasis firmly on stamina at 1m4f.
If he’d have been pushed along some way out and only taken second by staying on – then I’d say yes. But that was not how I saw the run today.
King Of Steel travelled well through the race and then showed speed to go to the front, before being caught by one with (if anything) greater stamina. So King Of Steel is far from crying out for a stamina test.
Value Is EverythingGiven I have backed him for the race, I hope Military Order is given a nice break, trained for the Voltigeur and then runs here.
You know it makes sense, Mr Appleby.
You may be right Gingertipster he may not go.
However Varian likes the race and Kingston Hill went back to 10f then went to the Leger next so it can’t be ruled out yet. On breeding a possibility to stay too and jockey can take his time in this. The Irish Derby and post race thoughts will tell us more.Not sure about that, CAS.
May well stay the longer trip.
But wouldn’t Appleby / Godolphin be thinking if Military Order wins the Leger it might put breeders off using the full brother Derby winner?Value Is EverythingTrue Mike, but Kingston Hill was again one that needed the emphasis on stamina at 1m4f and always seen as likely to be even better at 1m6f.
Value Is EverythingThe St Leger winner doesn’t always contest the Epsom Classics and can be a late-developing type that emerges afterwards.
But those who do can identify themselves quite readily.
Touching Wood was a staying on second to Golden Fleece, Kingston Hill was similar behind Australia.
Why do I mention these two?
Because I backed them at Doncaster – obviously!
White Birch looked the most like a St Leger type to me today.
The pedigree gives me doubts, but it’s not hard to see why Mike and others like him for Town Moor.
And Savethelastdance ran a solid Leger trial yesterday and from what I’ve seen so far I’m not sure the best of the 3yo colts could give 3lb to the best of the 3yo fillies.
The King Edward VII, the Queen’s Vase, the Gordon, the Great Voltigeur and even the March Stakes may reveal more.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"That is plausible, Ginger. But I think Military Order may struggle to win any other Group 1 this season. They ran Hurricane Lane here, so it cannot be ruled out.
Agree with you about King of Steel. If he was mine he would be running in the Eclipse next, although it might be a strong renewal this year.
If it comes up soft then it might be Savethelastdance Vs Arrest.
Value Is EverythingIl be biding my time with this race
The recent success iv had on the race has come with late blooming 3yos like eldar eldarov, galileo chrome and logician
Gregory has a nice looking profile and pedigree (golden horn/galileo)
Interested to see where he goes next
O’Brien’s comments were interesting yesterday. He said something like if Auguste Rodin had won the Guineas he would have to train the horse for the St Leger now. He in effect said he was relieved he did not have to bother.
I suppose it is an honest reflection of the modern breeding industry and the Coolmore business model. But it is perhaps worth remembering the next time O’Brien trains the winner at Doncaster and starts talking about it being a “great race” and “we were delighted really”.
I mentioned this elsewhere, CAS.
I’m amazed they ever considered the Triple Crown hence St Leger tbh.
Even in their dotage, that lot are all about about money and Auguste Monet IMO will go: Irish Derby, International Stakes, Irish Champion Stakes.
They won’t even be that bothered about the Arc – 1m4f just isn’t the centre of excellence with these people anymore, it’s 1m-1m2f.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Savethelastdance looks a likely candidate – the trip will suit her if the ground is decent as she lacked the tactical speed in the Oaks (but wasn’t losing any ground once the winner went past her) and if it comes up proper soft at Donny well we know what she can do in those conditions plus the allowance on top is a big help too.
Would be shocked if King of Steel is anywhere near this race – I would be looking at the Irish Derby then either the King George or the real French Derby the Grand Prix de Paris then maybe the Voltiguer or Prix Neil as a prep for the Arc, I hope he is kept in training next season as another year on his back could be the making of him and then you can think about targetting all the top races from 10-12F.
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