Sires and going preferences

[SirHarryLewis]

Sires and going preferences is a far more complicated matter than we sometimes give credit for.
http://www.drawbias.com/sirestats.html

Howver, I remember going point to pointing as a boy and when ever a horse by Roselier and especially Black Minstrel turned up, they could be relied on to improve for boggy conditions.

Of the modern sires, Ive lost touch with the more obvious ones. I know pivotals like it soft on the flat but that aside, does anyone here have strong belief in any sire to like very soft/ hard ground.

SHL

[MarkTT]

Sires and going preferences is a far more complicated matter than we sometimes give credit for.
http://www.drawbias.com/sirestats.html

However, I remember going point to pointing as a boy and when ever a horse by Roselier and especially Black Minstrel turned up, they could be relied on to improve for boggy conditions.

Of the modern sires, Ive lost touch with the more obvious ones. I know pivotals like it soft on the flat but that aside, does anyone here have strong belief in any sire to like very soft/ hard ground.

I think those stats have to be used in conjunction with the grade / quality of the races. Many of the leading sires will have progeny successful on all types of ground but whilst they may win a maiden or handicap on soft, they need good ground for a Group / Graded race. The opposite will apply in some cases.

There are also some sires who’s progeny might win impressively in Novice Hurdles yet struggle once they reach a rating in the 130’s.

My Tent Or Yours is a freak for his sire, Desert Prince. Ainama is one of the next horses down on the ratings ladder and he won first time out for Nicky Henderson after winning 6 times on the flat previously and he was spoken of as a Cheltenham horse. Didn’t win again for the yard never reached the heights expected of him.
Daylami’s – often precocious around the age of 3 or 4 but rarely progress and not as good over fences.

Looking at the breeding i think you can discount many horses from certain types of races and be right most of the time.

[Slowly Away]

I found that sires list about 5 years ago when I got back into racing after a longish break

I wonder if it’s been updated ?

There doesn’t seem to be many recent sires on there !

I think some sire stats can be self-fulfilling as trainers are such creatures of habit

Take ‘Pivotals are best on soft ground’…….that gets around the training ranks so they tend to run their Pivotals when the ground is soft or put them in races they can win when the ground is soft……..therefore it’s not surprising that they win more on soft which reinforces the trainers opinion

[freeradical]

Footstepsinthesand offspring seem to have a preference for at least good, it is not uncommon to see them as non-runners if the going changes to word soft in it.

[The Young Fella]

I love the Midnight Legends when the ground is good or quicker. He’s a great Cheltenham, Aintree and summer jumping stallion.

[stilvi]

I love the Midnight Legends when the ground is good or quicker. He’s a great Cheltenham, Aintree and summer jumping stallion.

I like to think bumpers are my specialist area (if I have one) and often with scant racecourse evidence going preferences can be useful.

It is probably best to try and compile your own list. Don’t assume because a horse has a win on a particular surface that is their ideal and don’t take what trainers say as gospel – horses race on the ‘wrong ground’ for various reasons every day of the week.

Just to add a little confusion I would take the exact opposite view in respect of Midnight Legend. His progeny in my opinion are generally better on good to soft.

[alan1]

Stats are based on percentage of wins on certain ground not the number of wins, so the fact that trainers run pivotals on soft ground more often for instance is irrelevant.

[MarkTT]

Not really.

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