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  • #1575846
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    I’ll be honest I thought they would have to leave this one for a few more years

    #1575849
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    The best ever advert for getting rid of the farcical and corrupt honours system once and for all. The (insert suitable derogatory term) should be in jail.

    The fact he has been made a Knight of the Garter – an honour personally approved by the Queen – shows the whole system is corrupt.

    Welcome to 2022. :cry:

    #1575850
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    News says it’s a ‘gift’ from the Queen
    Proof she’s gone ga ga and losing mental capacity?
    NO WAY does this scheming lying scumbag deserve anything except prison time!

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    I notice outspoken lefty Socialist Worker Revolutionary Vanessa Redgrave is happy to become a Dame.

    What a complete crock of s***.

    Far more respect for all these people:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_have_declined_a_British_honour

    #1575855
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    Blair speaks more sense than the whole of the lying corrupt government that we currently have….And the Iraq War was voted for democratically in Parliament. Hussein was slaughtering his own people. He was a tyrant. My daughter became a teacher during the Blair years and she said teaching was a joy back then. But had to leave after years of schools that she worked at being underfunding by the Conservatives.

    #1575857
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    I’ve never understood the completely irrational hatred of Blair from both sides of the political spectrum.

    I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
    I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highways
    #1575862
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    I know. Starting an illegal war on a pack of lies at the behest of a right wing American President. How could anyone dislike him? Let’s just be nice to him instead.

    “Hussein was slaughtering his own people. He was a tyrant.”

    So did Robert Mugabe. So does the Chinese government. The Saudi Arabian regime is not exactly preoccupied by human rights concerns. Shall we declare war on them as well and try to impose new regimes there?

    Does anyone seriously think Iraq and Afghanistan are better off after Bush and Blair’s wars? Or Syria is better off after Cameron, self styled “Heir to Blair” decided he wanted to copy his mentor?

    I wonder how the mother of a soldier killed in one of Blair’s escapades might feel about him being knighted?

    “Blair speaks more sense than the whole of the lying corrupt government that we currently have.”

    And you think Blair is not corrupt? Someone who has made millions since leaving office, making speeches for any little tinpot tyrant with a large enough bank balance.

    #1575863
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    “I’ve never understood the completely irrational hatred of Blair from both sides of the political spectrum.”

    Easy: he’s a c***.

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    REDRUM

    #1575866
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    IMO the vast majority cannot discuss any political figure objectively because they have political views themselves.

    I don’t recognise – and never have recognised – the Honours system as it’s utter nonsense.

    And I don’t much like Blair, though I’d argue he was a competent PM with a social conscience prior to his obsequience (never a good look for a Labour PM) to a Republic USA President regarding the scandal of Iraq.

    However, Blair remains a significant figure.

    He brought an end to what had started to look like perpetual (it was actually 18 years) Conservative rule.

    The price of achieving that was a centrism the left of his Party despised, but what sort of a country would we be living in today if he had not won those three elections and the Conservatives had been in power since 1979?

    If you think this government is corrupt, imagine one that had governed uninterrupted for 42 years and counting.

    The Conservatives are clearly the natural rulers in the UK – the results in my lifetime illustrate this.

    The average person prioritises low taxation over public services.

    But perpetual rule by any Party isn’t healthy IMO and at least Blair prevented that, though he governed plenty long enough himself.

    If Johnson wins in 2024, the Conservatives will be in power for longer than their 1979-1997 stint, they will think they have what Charles I called “The Divine Right To Rule.”

    The UK is the worse for it if any Party comes to think that.

    Happy New Year.

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    #1575868
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    “The average person prioritises low taxation over public services.”

    And it’s all down to the brainwashing of the public by the neoliberal mass media.

    #1575871
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    No, it’s down to the fact that, contrary to popular belief, human nature is not homogenous.

    You are clearly left of centre and have many admirable qualities, like a social conscience.

    But like many such people, you like to believe that everyone is potentially the same deep down.

    They manifestly are not.

    Many people don’t need a centre right press to prefer low taxes to public services.

    There is no majority appetite for any form of socialism in the UK – Jeremy Corbyn being 22 seats off biggest Party in a hung Parliament is the closest a Socialist Labour leader has got in my lifetime.

    Pitiful, tbh, how Socialists trumpet this – it’s like screen grabbing a “winning” bet on a horse which finished seventh in a handicap on which SkyBet were offering extended places.

    Most people politically are moderate, but slightly to the right if their life is going well and on an upward curve.

    Few want to admit to themselves they depend on a welfare state, even if the reality is they do.

    That’s not The Daily Mail etc influence – it’s their own human condition.

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    #1575872
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    Blair went centre ground near Tory to get in in 97 , he was a good PM domestically but Iraq was the mistake and it’s a big enough 1 to have stopped him being made a Sir

    #1575875
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    “But like many such people, you like to believe that everyone is potentially the same deep down.”

    Sorry, Ian, but that is not true. Most people are selfish wankers; that’s the reality of life.

    And the reason why they are that way is because they are indoctrinated with this message that greed is good, that competition is natural and that your own personal gratification is the most important thing in life. Why do people drive when they know that traffic pollution kills? Why do people fly away on holiday when they know that air travel causes global warming? Why do people not wear masks when there’s a deadly virus about?

    Because they put themselves above everybody else.

    #1575877
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    Well in that case we basically agree – and a selfish ****** doesn’t need a “neoliberal mass media” in order to be a selfish ******.

    They are not the product of brainwashing – it’s who they are anyway.

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    #1575878
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    “It’s not brainwashing – it’s who they are anyway.”

    That’s where we disagree. Research for many years has shown that babies and toddlers are not selfish but learn that behaviour.

    It’s nurture, not nature.

    #1575879
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    Fair enough – I take comfort in the manifest fact you and I can always have a civilised discussion about anything (racing or politics) without posturing and acrimony.

    Two relatively good eggs, I like to think, in a rather rotten universe!

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