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Grand national day will be full of dirt bags with green hair and rings coming out of every orifice. Ever notice these ,demonstrations on tv, none of look like they have ever worked a day in their life
Way to help us win the argument pal!
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the thrust of what you’re saying and am 100% against Animal Aid’s stance, but making generalisations and insults like that make us as bad as them. Being reasoned and shooting down their arguments with pure fact is the best way to win the opinions of the neutrals, not indulging in a slanging match.
By the way, I don’t get the wording of the poll question. Should we see horses dying on TV coverage? Well, sometimes it is unavoidable and the only way to stop it altogether is to not show any races. If you mean the camera should cut away from races/whatever specifically to focus on suffering horses, then of course not. But we shouldn’t be shy and pretend it doesn’t happen. The media have a duty to report on injuries and fatalities as they occur, and by and large, the Beeb and C4 do this.
What I’m trying to say is that most of the people who are in these groups don’t care what cause they support they have nothing better to do. If you like it or not its true.
Way to help us win the argument pal!
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the thrust of what you’re saying and am 100% against Animal Aid’s stance, but making generalisations and insults like that make us as bad as them. Being reasoned and shooting down their arguments with pure fact is the best way to win the opinions of the neutrals, not indulging in a slanging match.
Quite. There were enough shades of human life enjoying the fare at Marks Tey yesterday to pin-prick any such generalisation.
Probably the most effusive and enthusiastic punters I espied all afternoon were a couple who looked to be in their early twenties, each with a face full of piercings and one in a customised German army coat with
Rock’n’F***ingRoll
sprayed on it. I wonder if security at Aintree or other Rules courses would have barrelled them out straight away on the premise of them looking like the trouble they actually weren’t?
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
AA are a bunch of hypocrites – if you saw how their "supporters" acted you’d be amazed.
Exactly….shower of weirdos imo.
Are they saying then that horses get sent out at Aintree to be deliberately killed?
Of course they dont….its just tragic accidents…and any of them that say horses race against their will….try getting one to race thats planted at the start and doesnt want to go!!
The national always seems to get this treatment because its an easy nationwide target.
I struggle to express exactly where I stand on this. I don’t think anyone wants dying horses shown in graphic detail thrust in their face, but clearer reporting really is needed. As I’ve mentioned before on the forums, I own 3 horses, 2 showjumpers and 1 ex racehorse, "rescued" from being abandoned and left to die when his owner gave up racing. I love horses and really enjoy watching horse racing although I rarely have a bet. However it does seem to me that the fatalities are glossed over. I subscribe to a racing channel, but as I work am usually watching the replays in the evening. I will often see a horse fall and then try to catch a glimpse of it as the camera pans away, or on the head-on replay, as I just want to know if it got up okay, or not. So often it seems as if they are deliberately excluding any stricken horses from view. I appreciate that it may not be possible to get an update quickly enough for the TV, but just acknowledging this and having an update the next day, or on a website would be a start. There are many times when I’ve gone through all the "comments in running" on the RP website to try and find out – or even emailed the trainer. Sometimes, the Animal Aid website is the only place you can go. If the racing industry was more open, perhaps some stats on deaths or career ending injuries, on the BHA website or RP for example, it wouldn’t give the AA so much ammunition and would de-sensationalise their reporting.
Way to help us win the argument pal!
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the thrust of what you’re saying and am 100% against Animal Aid’s stance, but making generalisations and insults like that make us as bad as them. Being reasoned and shooting down their arguments with pure fact is the best way to win the opinions of the neutrals, not indulging in a slanging match.
Quite. There were enough shades of human life enjoying the fare at Marks Tey yesterday to pin-prick any such generalisation.
Probably the most effusive and enthusiastic punters I espied all afternoon were a couple who looked to be in their early twenties, each with a face full of piercings and one in a customised German army coat with
Rock’n’F***ingRoll
sprayed on it. I wonder if security at Aintree or other Rules courses would have barrelled them out straight away on the premise of them looking like the trouble they actually weren’t?
gc
Spoken like a long haired hippie!
Agreed Jeremy, we should not judge a man by his coat. Unless of course it’s an animal activist dressed in leather.
Value Is EverythingThere are animal rights and animal rights.
I myself was very much against animals being used in cosmetics tests. Only buying shower gel, shampoo etc. that was not tested on animals. Some of the stuff still available, to me, still smells like rabbits eyes.
Animal Aid are just a group who do not deserve anyone’s trust.
Value Is EverythingI think this is a sick idea, you don’t need to see dead horses on tv to identify this unfortunate side to our pleasure of following national hunt racing. I will always cheer when a horses rises from a fall but am often sickened when so-called "punters" cheer when a horse falls so the one they have bet on wins instead, they aren’t true racing fans and I want nothing to do with them.
Way to help us win the argument pal!
Don’t get me wrong, I agree with the thrust of what you’re saying and am 100% against Animal Aid’s stance, but making generalisations and insults like that make us as bad as them. Being reasoned and shooting down their arguments with pure fact is the best way to win the opinions of the neutrals, not indulging in a slanging match.
Quite. There were enough shades of human life enjoying the fare at Marks Tey yesterday to pin-prick any such generalisation.
Probably the most effusive and enthusiastic punters I espied all afternoon were a couple who looked to be in their early twenties, each with a face full of piercings and one in a customised German army coat with
Rock’n’F***ingRoll
sprayed on it. I wonder if security at Aintree or other Rules courses would have barrelled them out straight away on the premise of them looking like the trouble they actually weren’t?
gc
Spoken like a long haired hippie!
Agreed Jeremy, we should not judge a man by his coat. Unless of course it’s an animal activist dressed in leather.
A ginger would agree with "don’t judge a book by its cover but the comment was just to make the point ,that the people who are demonstrating really don’t give a ****, they are there just to be there. And for the record I used to go out with a bird with tattoos and piercings but she had the best ass youll ever see
There is a few things that should be done to avoid these deaths.Last year at aintree they should of called it off. I was wincing at every fence. Cheltenham this year. I always look at the times of the first few races and no way was that good ground. That track had the drainage changed some years ago and now unless it pisses down they can’t control the going. When you have big fields running around there at top speed on what may as well be firm ground you are asking for trouble. They must dig Cheltenham up again because if you believe in global warming and the seasons changing it could get worse.
Spoken like a long haired hippie!
Harry-Potter-the-wilderness-years might be nearer the mark. Mrs Column thinks I’m 21st Century Grebo.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Jeremy we must meet…
Although long hair is several years behind me the grebo/grunge bit remains….There is an answer to this without resorting to showing a horse dying.
When I am calling here in the USA and we have a horse go down and has to be euthanized, I wait until it is over and has been cleared up, ask the TV person to put up a nice shot of the scenery and I just say: "And our deepest sympathies to (name of owner), (name of trainer) and those connected."
The people who want to know can work it out, it means something to the people involved and is a helluva lot more dignified than ignoring it or showing it as seems to be the desire of some people here.
Craig
Jeremy we must meet…
Although long hair is several years behind me the grebo/grunge bit remains….
Bredwardine’s in your neck of the woods, isn’t it? It’s about 90% certain I’ll be there this Saturday, lowering the aesthetic tone of one of the country’s most beautiful pointing venues.
Shouldn’t be too hard to find me.I note the feature Area Confined race there may serve up a rematch between My Way De Solzen and his Cold Harbour conqueror Ashwell Lad, as well as some pretty tasty looking Opens. Can’t wait.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Jeremy we must meet…
Although long hair is several years behind me the grebo/grunge bit remains….
Bredwardine’s in your neck of the woods, isn’t it? It’s about 90% certain I’ll be there this Saturday, lowering the aesthetic tone of one of the country’s most beautiful pointing venues.
Shouldn’t be too hard to find me.I note the feature Area Confined race there may serve up a rematch between My Way De Solzen and his Cold Harbour conqueror Ashwell Lad, as well as some pretty tasty looking Opens. Can’t wait.
gc
Talking of tasty, Jeremy. The Stayers Race (3m 7F) at Folkestone’s Hunter chase meeting is a bit of alright. Teeton Bollinger against The Camarengo. Nick Pearce against Adam Wedge. Two of the best young riders in the game (you know highly I rate Mr Wedge). Can’t go but what race in prospect. I know I am a rubbish tipster, but The Camarengo for me. He Jumps and stays well and Adam gave it a cracker at the first Kingston Blount when we were there if you remember.
TRF members, don’t say you weren’t warned.
It won’t be anxiety-free watching for backers of whichever horses, Bbob – Teeton Bollinger and The Camerengo look the best horses in the race to me, but they’re also the laziest sods in Christendom.
Very much think jockeyship will win the day here, and yes, The Camerengo has a huge chance if Adam Wedge can replicate his Kingston Blount ride – one of the best I’ve seen in points for many a long year.
gc
Adoptive father of two. The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.
Adam Wedge certainly looks very good. Think there might be a bit of a shock in this race though – will be backing Flowersoftherarest who made a successful UK debut at Northaw earlier this month by 15 lengths in a decent enough time (same as the Ladies Open on the card).
Adam Wedge certainly looks very good. Think there might be a bit of a shock in this race though – will be backing Flowersoftherarest who made a successful UK debut at Northaw earlier this month by 15 lengths in a decent enough time (same as the Ladies Open on the card).
That was the horse that the folks watching it next to me backed because they liked the look of its teeth!
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