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Septimus was mightily impressive in smashing the course record. He looks every inch Yeats’ heir apparent.
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Doncaster Cup racing time 2001-2007
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I”ve always respected Septimus and fancied him for his Derby. But beating Geordieland isn’t exceptional form. GL is a perennial bridesmaid that finds nothing at the business end.
Saying that, i’m sure Septimus will prove to be a adaquate replacement for Yeats in the staying stakes.I”ve always respected Septimus and fancied him for his Derby. But beating Geordieland isn’t exceptional form. GL is a perennial bridesmaid that finds nothing at the business end.
Saying that, i’m sure Septimus will prove to be a adaquate replacement for Yeats in the staying stakes.As i’ve stated before, i’m not a ratings guys – but to the visible eye, Septimus looked very good,and in fact, he beat Geordie Land a lot easier than Yeats did at Ascot.
Mike
Geordieland is indifferent in his performances, but to say a five length demolition of him doesn’t represent decent form has to be a little wide of the mark.
He rarely finds as much as you might expect when asked to go and win his race but close runs behind Yeats and Sergeant Cecil, and mere four length beatings by the likes of Manduro and Policy Maker, have him down as a pretty decent performer.
Eighteen furlongs around Doncaster should have been just about perfect for this horse, so to lose the way he did shows only one thing – Septimus will prove nigh on unstoppable over staying trips next season.
Looking in more detail, I was getting a bit carried away. Seprtimus is probably the equal of Yeats. Both have 5 length beatings of Geordieland as their best runs, Yeats carrying a bigger penalty than Septimus when winning the Goodowood Cup last year but given what Septimus was eased his performance is pretty much on a par. As I say on a different forum well done to O’Brien and Coolmore for running such good horses in these races as to prevent slow geldings like Sergeant Cecil and Persian Punch from gaining accolades they aren’t worthy of.
Re: Geordieland.
It has to be said that when Geordieland loomed up on Septimus; travelling like Nijinsky, he yet again found nothing – therefore it would be fair to say that those of us who had backed O’Brien’s colt were not overly concerned by Geordieland’s ominous presence – given that this is now his usual trait.
Yeats or Septimus?
Hard one. Both very good horses.
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Re: Geordieland.
It has to be said that when Geordieland loomed up on Septimus; travelling like Nijinsky, he yet again found nothing – therefore it would be fair to say that those of us who had backed O’Brien’s colt were not overly concerned by Geordieland’s ominous presence – given that this is now his usual trait.
Yeats or Septimus?
Hard one. Both very good horses.
It must be so frustrating to train/own a horse like Geordieland. He obviously has a tremendous amount of ability, but just how do you get him to win? To cruise up like he did, in a race that turned out to be a record time, shows that he has a tremendously high cruising speed – but I guess that counts for nothing if you don’t go through with the effort at the death.
My suggestion would be to drop him in grade where hopefully he can cruise up and win as he likes. This may give him a bit of confidence as i’ve seen it so many times with horses like that – once they get a win, they tend to run up a sequence, but then again to run up a sequence in the type of races he contends will be almost impossible.
Mike
I don’t put a lot of weight in the time. Records were going a plenty on Ascot’s brand new course. The same wouldn’t be unexpected on a brand new Town Moor.
Like I said guys, i’m not dissing Septimus. I’ve always rated him. Better than Yeats? I dunno about that. Good, yes. Even, very good. That’s as far as i’ll go.I’m with Yeats on this one, although in time I could change my mind, Septimus is a very classy horse
will be just as good in time to come anywaySeptimus will probably have a bit more improvement left to come, but I’m sure Yeats would have beat Geordieland just as easily, so I will sit on the fence! Geordieland would make a cracking hurdler though
Re Yeats.
Waste of time running him in the Melbourne Cup in my opinion. He has no chance of winning.
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Re Yeats.
Waste of time running him in the Melbourne Cup in my opinion. He has no chance of winning.
Owner John Magnier was far from equivocal about the horse’s prospects of making a return trip to Australia, suggesting next month’s Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe could be a preferred target.
"The Arc is definitely on the agenda," Magnier said.
"A trip to Australia is a possibility, but we have two others who might go there."
In an indication that Racing Victoria’s message on equine influenza (EI) may not be getting through to those who matter, Magnier said the outbreak of the virus, which is reportedly costing him as much as $800,000 a day in lost income, could influence his decision.
Magnier said the presence of EI in Australia – although not in Victoria – was "a headache" that could deter him from sending any of his team.- Total Posts 17716
Re Yeats.
Waste of time running him in the Melbourne Cup in my opinion. He has no chance of winning.
Himself
It would be a mistake to judge him on last year’s abortive run.
He is stronger, faster, and has been trained differently this season. They were also caught out by the uneven pace in his previous run, and intend to ride him accordingly. Might be that they also put in their own pacemaker to ensure a proper test, which would have helped a lot last year..KT
I would doubt he is even entered for the Arc, he has certainly never featured in any betting for the race?
KT
I would doubt he is even entered for the Arc, he has certainly never featured in any betting for the race?
I think it might be now on the cards Reet with all the EI problems downunder and they are looking at alternatives.
(Of course I have been known to be wrong…….. on one or two minor occasions
)Do they have late entries for the race?
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