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Sorry to be unpatriotic, chaps, but the Young Men of England are the brand leaders here.
There was some damning research released this very day (and talked about at length on the R4’s
Today
) which looked at the rates of drunkenness in English teenagers, and found that – unlike in the rest of Europe or America – the alcohol cult amongst the young has reached endemic proportions, and that this national malaise is passed down in families.
A couple of Doctors with whom I was talking today were sepaking (anecdotally, agreed) about the exponential increase in admissions through A&E for injuries from drunken assaults over the last 10 years.
I agree it is shocking: but we really are world champions.
You don’t see drunkenness as a general rule on the streets of the Latin countries in particular.
Teenagers are much more family oriented. They don’t drink beer or spirits to anything like the degree the Northern Europeans do, and they tend to take food with their wine.
Result = Less public drunken brawling. Not "none at all" (where did I say that?) but far less. And read the social history books: ’twas ever thus with English Youf. Top of the league!
I take it that you’ve never been to Mexico? Plenty of public intoxication, and it isn’t all Americans on spring break at Cancun and Acapulco.
Also, NASCAR fans are much worse than soccer hooligans. NASCAR fans have guns.
And they’re going to pass a law in India in the next few days raising the legal drinking age. So clearly they have a problem too.
As for NASCAR, it’s piffle compared to the way they go at it in Australia.
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And they’re going to pass a law in India in the next few days raising the legal drinking age. So clearly they have a problem too.
As for NASCAR, it’s piffle compared to the way they go at it in Australia.
Care to enlighten us there???
Also forgot all the Take That fans last week who ended up in A and E in Manchester.
Makes you proud to be English.
….. don’t twist my words.
ditto
Just seen your earlier reply Paul. Apologies if you feel I twisted your words. I hate it when someone twists my own, so many apologies.
You don’t see drunkenness as a general rule on the streets of the Latin countries in particular. Teenagers are much more family oriented. They don’t drink beer or spirits to anything like the degree the Northern Europeans do, and they tend to take food with their wine.
Are you sure about that also Pinza? Notice you’ve gone down from ‘absolutely do not see this’ to ‘as a general rule’.
Earlier in this thread you said with confidence that,
"You absolutely do not see this kind of thing in the centre of Barcelona or Madrid (in both of which cities I happen to spend much time for professional reasons) after major sporting events."
Only for me to show you a clip of a riot – alcohol (as well as passion) influenced to boot – in the centre of Barcelona, after a major sporting event. And believe me, there’s plenty more clips if you care to have a look.
So if you were wrong this time, how many other times have you been wrong? I dread to think
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Sigh… it’s hard to debate without factual ballast, I agree.
I suggest you read the research findings of the Rowntree Report to give you a good insight into the facts of the UK-Youth situation. You can read it here:
http://www.jrf.org.uk/publications/youn … influences
perhaps whilst the rest of us are watching Royal Ascot!
I don’t need to read it, I know exactly how bad it is, I know exactly how bad this country is for violence, drunken violence, crime, youth crime etc. I’ve already admitted in this thread that England is amongst the worst in the world, so I really don’t need evidence of it (thanks for the evidence though).
I’m merely pointing out that it happens in other countries too.
Anyone wanting to emigrate for warmer weather, great. Anyone wanting to emigrate for a change of lifestyle, great. Anyone wanting to emigrate because of drunken violence in England, all I am saying is that it happens in other countries also… it’s not just England.
So I think we are agreed then
Miss Woodford,
I had to laugh at your NASCAR thing. Guns? It reminded me of the iconic
"Malcolm In The Middle"
sketch.
The father of the house takes his four boys on a bonding trip to a NASCAR event. He’s the only one who wants to go – something any dad will immediately recognise. He’s got his baseball cap and his clipboard. They’re sitting in the bleachers. Before long, the boys are asleep, time passing by. The camera zooms in on the clipboard, on which dad is eagerly filling in the racing details and ..it’s still only Lap One!!! LOLOLOLOL.
Your point about NASCAR fans raises eyebrows. Are you pulling out legs? Are you having us on? I’m sure you are. I’ve spent twenty five years of my life following British football. Occasionally, I still wake up in cold sweat at the things I’ve witnessed.
I’ve seen people punched, gouged, cut, sliced, stamped on, slashed, butted and battered within an inch of their lives at train stations, service stations, pubs, and in stadia. Saturday afternoon entertainment for the lumpen proleteriat after a hard week at the factory.
Despite being a bit of a geek, one day, a hundred Hartlepool supporters battered me and seven of my friends in the car park outside the ground. Brave of them, wasn’t it. Excellent odds. Luckily, after a while, you don’t feel any pain.
I spent two days in hospital. One of my friends lost an eye. Our assailants were all drunk. Hammered and very annoyed. It was like something out of the opening episode of "The Walking Dead". Our crime? Beating them 1-0 in the Cup.
I’ve visited America on many occasions and I can honestly say that I’ve encountered nothing similar. I’ve no doubt your great country contains brutal people of this ilk, but do they
swarm
like this? At sporting events? I don’t think so.
I wouldn’t like to hang about Madrid at night, nor certain areas of Paris, and I wouldn’t cause much bother on a night out in the Balkans, but I have always believed that when it comes to mindless, drunken tribal sporting violence – like that witnessed at Royal Ascot yesterday – you’ll never be able to top a day out in The Green and Pleasant.
Respectfully, Max.
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I wouldn’t like to hang about Madrid at night, nor certain areas of Paris, and I wouldn’t cause much bother on a night out in the Balkans, but I have always believed that when it comes to mindless, drunken tribal sporting violence – like that witnessed at Royal Ascot yesterday – you’ll never be able to top a day out in The Green and Pleasant.
Verifiably true, if one cares to look up the facts!
One caveat, Max: Greater Madrid is (again verifiably) one of the safest capital cities in the world, if violent crime is the marker. Partly because, of course, there’s no "chucking out time" on Saturday nights and people keep going well into Sunday mornings, before falling pleasantly asleep in the morning sunshine.
While it is correct that most countries with an alcohol culture of any sort are apt to suffer explosions from time to time, including at sporting events (see Canada for eruption of street violence after Ice Hockey final recently), my personal experience is that there is nothing, in Europe at least, as uncomfortably threatening as a stroll down an English city/town (towns are worse actually) High Street at 1 am on a Friday/Saturday evening. And ‘Europe’ includes Glasgow and Edinburgh City Centres (unless there is an English rugby game on in the capital).
Have to go with Cav on this one.
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You will find a few no go zones in most capitals in Australia,if you were there late at night you may get the stuffing knocked out of you.To Aussies we think it is bad enough,but friends who have immigrated tell us it is nothing.You dont get violence at Aussie rules or rugby,the only violence in sport here is when serb v croatia supported teams are playing in the football.We didnt know what a car jacking was until refugees we let in from Sudan formed a gang called the African Kingz and started to do that,they are all in jail now.Same thing in Adelaide a community of 400 Sudanese refugees facing almost 1600 police charges.The dumbest was a NZ bikie gang calling themselves ‘The Mongrel Mob’ thought they would muscle in over here,but the maori boys found out size and standover tactics didnt work against the other gangs. A New Zealand copper described it as like babes in the wood taking on hardened crims.We have a few bikie gangs here,no balls low life scum,have to be in groups to do anything.I was in England last year and at about 9pm every night i could hear the fights from my hotel,i went out one night and was talking to the bouncer.He was doing an app as a sparky,so i said i would give him a couple of numbers re:work as a sparky in OZ.He told me he went to Adelaide for a few weeks and couldnt believe that him and some Aussie mates would be walking home.smell a BBQ cooking and the aussies would put there head over the fence and they would all be invited to the BBQ,he said if you did that in certain places here you would get your head kicked in.I suppose every place has their bad element,though it is about time those scum who are football hooligans there were targeted with an iron fist,gutless, no balls thats why they do things like they did to Maxilon,havn’t got the balls to do it when they are sober or havn’t a dozen mates around.
Pathetic thread.
Is it only ‘chavs’ that fight on racecourses then? Who do some of you
think
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Why is it a pathetic thread? I think relevant to a lot of sporting events around the world.Even though ‘Mr Wilson’ at times reminds me of one of the old hecklers in the muppets he probably knows that at times it is not just the ‘chavs’.I think he was just looking for a clever title for the thread and for that he has to be commended,because after all its not often that you can mention ‘Mr Wilson’ and clever in the same sentence!
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