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  • #218618
    Seagull
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    When Martin Pipe started training he alone changed the way National Hunt horses were trained.

    A lot of trainers run horses to get fit ‘for another day’ by simply entering them in a race to get fit.

    Martin Pipe got them fit however the ability was and many simply raced off in front and won by building up a big lead and managing to hold on to the lead they had gained.

    He knew they were fit by the vast amounts of work they had done and he was one of the first to start taking blood samples to help detremine a horse’s fitness.

    Not suprisingly many other trainers started to ‘wise up’ and start to use the same methods.Paul Nicholls in his Racing Post articles on Saturdays is always mentioning how much work even his stable stars have at home.

    According to some Jamie Moore was in line to become the stable jockey for the Pipe team but there was an objection by by the main patron after he allegedly lost a lot of money on a horse ridden by Jamie Moore.

    It is owners that pay for the retainer and whilst certain top jockeys may have an agreement to ride for a yard such as Ruby with Nicholls and Willie Mullins (which shows one how two top yards rate one jockey) there are not many jockeys that are able to command a retainer.

    There was a rumour that Coolmore were in disscussions with Ryan Moore to become the stable jockey for Coolmore when Sir M. Stoute was taking ages to decide if he wanted a stable jockey or not. Ryan Moores reticence was a plus apparently but when Sir Michael Stoute found that Ryan Moore had been in some discussion with Coolmore Sir Michael Stoute had to move quickly and decide what he was to do.

    I think the Racing Post may have reported on this at the time but I am not sure.

    #218623
    apracing
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    Surprised this thread has got so far without mention of Lough Derg – surely his displays over the last two seasons, along with Madison De Bearlais recently, Osana in the Boylesports Hurdle and Tamarinbleu in the Ascot Chase last season, all suggest that Tom Scudamore is a perfectly good judge of pace.

    I’d go along with those that identify the real problem as the lack of decent horses he has to ride, in the sense that the prolific novices and the well handicapped ones that run up a sequence no longer exist in the stable.

    One inherited stable for Spitfire to consider as the opposite of the usual pattern – Tony to Michael Dickinson.

    #218630
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    [quote="rory" Had the pleasure of working with Tom for about half an hour at the Cheltenham Festival, and while he isn’t likely to prove that much better as a broadcaster that his dad, he is a genuinely nice guy with no shred of arrogance about him. He is also a much improved jockey in recent years and doesn’t deserve the brickbats he occasionally receives. He’s never going to be one of the greats, but he’s ultra reliable which counts for plenty.

    There was nothing nice about his attitude when he beat Denman at Kempton….came across as little $hite….and Ruby agreed with that. I agree with the original poster….i find him a poor jockey…but he does damn well with a couple of the stable obv.

    #218635
    Roddy Owen
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    Sorry underscore,have to dissagree. It was a bit petulant the Denman thing and quite out of character for Tom. I am sure he regrets it and probably thought it was a bit of fun at the time. Mr Serious Ruby wouldn`t of course.
    Tom is a fine judge of pace and overall a good jockey,definitely in the top tier ,but below Ruby, Richard ,AP, et al.

    He is a lovely guy and I`m speaking as one who saw his grandfather ride a Welsh Grand National winner

    #218636
    Salselon
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    AP,

    Wasn’t it Brennan who rode Osana in the Boylesports?

    The return of Scudamore for the Champion Hurdle was, imo, close to being the difference to being second, as opposed to winning.

    #218642
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    There was nothing nice about his attitude when he beat Denman at Kempton….came across as little $hite….and Ruby agreed with that.

    Fine that’s one instance. Of those of us here who have played competitve sport is there anyone who can genuinely say they haven’t overdone the celebration occasionally?

    Rob

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    Have to say his overall performance outside of the few high profile horses he rides is average at best. A good friend to the layer’s is Tom.

    #218645
    apracing
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    AP,

    Wasn’t it Brennan who rode Osana in the Boylesports?

    The return of Scudamore for the Champion Hurdle was, imo, close to being the difference to being second, as opposed to winning.

    Correct, my error – mind you, given his finishing position in the Champion this year relative to those he ran against last year, it could be argued that he ran better for Scudamore than McNamara.

    #218650
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    Can’t have that AP; Osana simply pulled too hard in his first time blinkers this year, and I doubt any jockey could have done much about it.
    Last year, it was noticeable that Tom Scudamore was looking around for the others at the top of the hill and, had he not waited for them to catch him up, may well have established a clear enough lead to win it. The horse obviously had fuel left in the tank to come back at Katchit, and I suspect a number of other jockeys woud have used it more judiciously.

    #218665
    graysonscolumn
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    Nothing to do with his skills as a jockey, but I have to say that, when being interviewed Tom comes across as a great ambassador for the sport being pleasant, eloquent and enthusiastic.

    Had the pleasure of working with Tom for about half an hour at the Cheltenham Festival, and while he isn’t likely to prove that much better as a broadcaster that his dad, he is a genuinely nice guy with no shred of arrogance about him. He is also a much improved jockey in recent years and doesn’t deserve the brickbats he occasionally receives. He’s never going to be one of the greats, but he’s ultra reliable which counts for plenty.

    …And not just at the Festival, either, rory – he was absolute solid gold for us during the earlier Cheltenham meets, not least before and after Lough Derg’s grand display on New Year’s Day.

    On interpersonal criteria alone, I’d have a dozen of him over one of certain other riders any day of the week.

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #218688
    Lingfield
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    IMO Scu jnr required a healthy dose of nepotism to get the Pipe job but has improved over the last couple of seasons.
    Owner David Johnson has been badly hit by the credit crunch as his business is finance based.
    He has cut his string from 80 to 50 and stopped buying new stock at the sales.
    His company Commercial First have axed a sponsorship with Ascot.
    His horses are primarily with Pipe , with a few casts offs with Montieth. He has 4 with Nicholls inc Chapoturgeon and Indian Blood . He has axed Henrietta Knight and Emma Lavelle from his trainers list.

    #218691
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    Didn’t David Johnson have Ferdy Murphy training for him at some point?

    #218696
    Lingfield
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    Didn’t David Johnson have Ferdy Murphy training for him at some point?

    Think he still does have two
    Poker De Sivola and Pre Token?

    #218704
    DeadlySins
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    "underscore":2gmmlu09 wrote:

    There was nothing nice about his attitude when he beat Denman at Kempton….came across as little $hite….and Ruby agreed with that. I agree with the original poster….i find him a poor jockey…but he does damn well with a couple of the stable obv.

    Can’t do anything else but agree with that mate, almost smug but surely common sense would tell him Denman was nowhere near 100% that day, as shown by his gallant 2nd in the Gold Cup.

    #218735
    moehat
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    perhaps he wasn’t just pointing out how far he had beat Denman by, but also a few other top class horses….did their jockeys take offence, and was Ruby annoyed at the insult to his horse or just annoyed that he hadn’t won [no, not in his nature…]

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