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I personally would have sent him for the Dirt Mile, where he would have had very, very big claims
just a million quid difference in prize money
…don’t call me cynical
I personally would have sent him for the Dirt Mile, where he would have had very, very big claims
just a million quid difference in prize money
…don’t call me cynical
And btw, what is wrong with going for the bigger pot?
I’m sure every owner out there would have gone for the big un had they thought their horse good enough.
Connections of Lawyer Ron could have chosen Dirt Mile instead of Classic where he like GW would have stood more chance of wining
hi EW, thanks for replying again,
yeah, I thought the Moulin looked like a prep but I’m astonished that anyone can think the Eclipse run was not his best effort this season.
The rest I can’t really argue with other than what I’ve said before, but you would think that if the purpose was to enhance his value in the U.S. on dirt, you would have thought they’d have avoided the hardest of the lot with him being largely unproven with just the 1 run.
I’m not sure the Dirt Mile has that much prestige, but the Jockey Club Gold Cup might have been a better option at Belmont, if I had to chose one, reluctantly, and with both my arms twisted
hi EW, thanks for replying again,
yeah, I thought the Moulin looked like a prep but I’m astonished that anyone can think the Eclipse run was not his best effort this season.
Just my opinion UM
The rest I can’t really argue with other than what I’ve said before, but you would think that if the purpose was to enhance his value in the U.S. on dirt, you would have thought they’d have avoided the hardest of the lot with him being largely unproven with just the 1 run.
I’m not sure the Dirt Mile has that much prestige, but the Jockey Club Gold Cup might have been a better option at Belmont, if I had to chose one, reluctantly, and with both my arms twistedBut thats it UM, the Classic has more prestige than any other race run on Dirt and this is why Curlin, Street Sense, Lawyer Ron, George Washington etc were contesting it
Why people can’t see this is beyond me
What are all the GW grievers actually going to do about anything ? – absolutely nothing but go on to the next unfortunate horse and repeat the same old laments,
What?
what are "the greivers" supposed to do? Call for a ban on racing?
And btw, what is wrong with going for the bigger pot?
nothing wrong with it at all if as an owner prizemoney is more important to you than winning
And btw, what is wrong with going for the bigger pot?
nothing wrong with it at all if as an owner prizemoney is more important to you than winning
Do you know which is more important to Coolmore or any other owner???
And btw, what is wrong with going for the bigger pot?
nothing wrong with it at all if as an owner prizemoney is more important to you than winning
Do you know which is more important to Coolmore or any other owner???
Prize money would be the deciding factor every day of the week for me, but if I were a multi million pound owner, then I would imagine prestige would take very high ranking.
Mike
I’m actually baffled why people don’t think that his finish a neck behind Ramonti on his seasonal debut coming back from stud don’t think that that’s his best performance of the season.
Well I don’t agree with that TC. In the Queen Anne he wasn’t unfancied was he?, 10/11 and heavily backed, he was expected to put in a top performance despite the comeback, and over what most people would have thought was his best trip, on turf.
In the Eclipse I feel he faced a better field, Ramonti excepted in the QA, with a good Derby winner and just getting touched off over a stiff 10f over which many of us still felt he had it to prove.
Anyway, each to their own opinion on that one
So, if you win prestige races like Classic, the QEII, the Guineas you can charge ridiculous amounts at stud, but if you win a few tin pot races that don’t carry that prestige you probably can’t
Any sensible owner would go Prestige
If Giant’s Causeway’s fee is the reported $500,000, then he needs to cover 28 mares to better the near-£7 million prize money won by Ballydoyle in the UK & Ireland this year.
His fee used to be $300,000 and since become "private", which doesn’t mean it’s gone up.
I would think you could get to him for $200,000 or less.
His yearlings at Keeneland this year, presumably his better efforts, averaged around $290,000.
ew
comparing Coolmore to ¨any other owner¨ is like comparing pitch and putt to the US Masters
ew
comparing Coolmore to ¨any other owner¨ is like comparing pitch and putt to the US Masters
Is it? i thought owning a horse was owning a horse
Coolmore may have invested more over the years, but they all take a similar risk and they all probably aspire to own a Champion(s)
Dunno the Coolmore story, but i don’t think they’ve been handed their empire on a plate.
I think they may have had to start from scratch like most owners do, invest decent amounts, be lucky enough to get a good horse or two and build, just like Darley, Cheveley Park and every other breeding business
Kinane and Cecil slam Monmouth conditions
Kinane
“He travelled well for me but the kickback down the back was horrendous. He was climbing into the air trying to avoid it and you couldn’t believe how bad it actually was
Why didn’t Mick stop riding him or at least ease off as he must have known he had little chance of recovering his position if the above was true
The death of ‘The Gorgeous One’ nearly ruined what was a great few days for me.
On Saturday when I arrived at the course the ground was in an awful state (the turf going was changed from yielding to soft, while the dirt surface was changed from sloppy to…….sloppy).
I frequently attend NH fixtures, but it’s rare that I go to ‘top class’ flat fixtures. So this was the first time I was able to see Dylan Thomas, George Washington etc in the flesh.
Monmouth Park was old-fashioned and, from what I gathered listening to the disgruntled American punters, unfit to hold this prestigious event. However, the saddling enclosure, paddock and track were all incredibly accessible – unlike our courses.
I find it hard to swallow that people on this forum question our ’emotional attachment’ to these animals. George Washington was a beautiful animal. Later, I found it odd that he broke from the stalls like a freakin’ lunatic after he behaved impeccably in the paddock. He actually stopped in the paddock momentarily to look at the crowd of people where I was standing. I think a few US customers went home a few dollars short after that!! He instantly endeared himself to them. I didn’t see the injury occur. I was making my way from the track and stood in between the stands facing the home turn. I decided to wait and see George come round the final bend before making my way back to the station. I was later informed on the train about the fatal injury. It’s like one man said "Trust him to go out in a blaze of glory". It was hardly glorious but I could understand what he was saying.
He had every right to take his chance in the event. It was probably going to be his final race and he didn’t look out of place.
Dylan Thomas had no chance. He was a big, powerful horse who was never going to act around the tight course on soft ground. The 1 1/2F straight was also against him. A great looking beast though.
Contrary to popular belief, Frankie is very popular Stateside.
After his ride on Simply Perfect, all I heard after the race was ‘Johnny, you suck’!
The response to Mick Kinane? ‘Geez, that guy’s old’!
It was a solid, if unspectacular Breeders’ Cup. The rain didn’t help but overall I think most people had a good time. I’m glad I got to see George before it was too late.
RIP George – you were truly gorgeous.
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