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Ready for Rishi? 2022-???? (There’s no telling with this lot)

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    Richard88
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    Whilst I sympathise with the striking workers to some extent, I’m not sure doing it at Christmas is the best way of going about it. It will make life more difficult for their fellow ordinary hardworking people and have no effect at all on those who are in a position to do something about it. I’m not going anywhere over Christmas so I’m unaffected but people just want to go and see their families so don’t be surprised if they lose some sympathy when people are stopped from doing that.

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    I would expect the nurses and other striking NHS workers to have more widespread public sympathy than any of the other groups taking industrial action.

    Many recognise that “Thank you, NHS” and all that noise is a hollow gesture as gratitude alone doesn’t pay the bills.

    Plus, to be brutally honest, unless your health or a family member’s health is endangered by the NHS-related strikes, you’re unaffected.

    Things like the RMT and the Postal strikes affect – hence annoy – a lot more people.

    Lynch has enjoyed unparalleled levels of popularity for a Trade Union leader in contemporary times, but if he’s as smart as I have hitherto been thinking he is, he will recognise he’s approaching thin ice and maybe rein it in a bit until the New Year, at least.

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    #1627119
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    Agree with that Ian. Even the right wing press covers the nurses more sympathetically than the rest of the strikes. Of course their aging and ailing readerships are the ones who use the NHS most.

    Whilst it’s a joy to see Lynch dismantle smug TV presenters and political journalists, he does need to be careful as you say. Or do something that inconveniences those in power, not us!

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    But how does he hurt those in power ? , let’s face it Sunak ain’t doing a Boris and going NHS if ill , he,’ll be private with his wedge , I really don’t get why Sunak came in at this point , he can’t win a GE , he,s going to be the Michael Foot of the Tories

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    If Lynch is so intelligent why did he support brexit?

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    So did in excess of 17 million other voters, Moehat.

    Are you questioning their intelligence too?

    I voted Remain, but I recognise those who voted Leave did so for a variety of reasons and not simply because of a collective lack of intelligence.

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    Lynch is left wing , he wants the people to have choice , liberty and influence …. this was the big brexit sell

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/17/tories-at-risk-from-rightwing-insurgency-warns-donor-lord-cruddas

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/18/anger-brexit-tories-red-wall-conservatives-reform-uk-party-immigration

    Good grief, how far to the right do you have to be to think that the Tories are currently anywhere near the centre, or even as is laughably claimed the centre-left?

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    I was astonished by that too.

    There’s been this myth going round ever since 2020 that Rishi Sunak is some sort of pinko social democrat.

    It KILLED Sunak inside to do all that public spending in 2020, it was alien to every fibre of his being.

    In fact, when asked for even more, he said the only and only honest idealogical thing I ever briefly respected him for: “If I spend even more, what is the difference between me and a socialist Labour Chancellor?”

    Sunak is an austerity Tory PM with an austerity Tory Chancellor.

    No, he’s not a crazy extremist who would borrow money to give the wealthy even more tax breaks, but he’s a Tory alright.

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    I voted Remain, but I recognise those who voted Leave did so for a variety of reasons and not simply because of a collective lack of intelligence.

    I have been waiting many years now, to hear a positive reason, from all the clever people that voted leave.

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    #1627265
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    I don’t think any chancellor would have done much different during covid, his hand was forced. Other parties wouldn’t have bunged billions to their chums of course but that’s another story.

    Cruddas is broadly correct when he says the electorate as a whole leans centre-right. He’s talking absolute bollocks when he says there is some sort of leftist infiltration though. As has been said here before, they’re haemorrhaging support because they’re going too far right and Labour has a gaping chasm to jump into.

    Reform are simply taking their far right and racist element back from the Tories. I welcome any split on the right, keep it coming.

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    “I have been waiting many years now, to hear a positive reason, from all the clever people that voted leave.”

    I don’t think it was for any one reason, Purwell.

    And I do think many did so in full knowledge the UK economy would suffer overall, but they just wanted the UK out of the EU anyway.

    To pick up on what Richard says, one of the features of contemporary politics, IMO, and on both sides of the Atlantic during the Trump era, has been prolonged periods of Tory/Republican, centre-right, government embarking on a gaslighting exercise about creeping leftist Woke infiltration as if it were they in Opposition and not these Woke/Centre Lefties they keep warning everyone about.

    My view is that, apart from 13 years of treading water under moderate Blair/Brown, either side of that, the UK has been steadily moving to the right ever since 1979.

    Given this is a period of 30 years and counting, and given the 1974-1979 Labour government that preceded it was generally considered moderate at the time, I’d say the net result is a country that is significantly more right wing than it was 50 years ago.

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    And I do think many did so in full knowledge the UK economy would suffer overall, but they just wanted the UK out of the EU anyway.

    This really shows how they are in touch with reality?

    I have lost count of the number of people that told me they voted leave because they did not want Turkey to join the EU.

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    #1627276
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    Why are Reform far right and racist Richard? Do you know these people?

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    As stated, I voted Remain, but subsequent to the Referendum both the European Election results and the 2019 Election provided further reaffirmation of the continued desire to Leave and I wouldn’t be confident Remain (or Rejoin) would win if a vote was held tomorrow.

    It stopped being about what the rational economic choice was and became about not disenfranchising the choice of the original Leave voters a long time ago.

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    #1627278
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    If this Tory party isn’t far enough to the right for anyone (and it’s further right than when elected) then they must really be on the right, simple as that.

    The racism is more subtle, there has to be some plausible deniability there, but parties like this do attract racists.

    #1627280
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    Come on Richard, who are these people?
    Is it Tice? Is he right, far right or hard right?

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