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That superb mile is slowly edging closer!
At the time of writing, just 13 days remain until the eagerly anticipated clash between Henrythenavigator, Tamayuz and not forgetting Ravens Pass.
Tamayuz hasnt been seen out since the middle of August when beating Natagora by just over two lengths. His run against Ravens Pass has put Tamayuz top of the market and ahead of HTN on a trendline through Ravens Pass. However, need we remember that this was on good to soft ground (The ground that Johnny G says Ravens Pass dislikes the most) and the 1 1/2 length win may have just flattered Tamayuz very slightly.
Tamayuz sits at the top of the market on 13/8 on BF with Henrythenavigator sitting behind on 9/4 (Ravens Pass 5/1, Paco Boy 10/1) and if the ground goes in Henry’s favour I’m going to have to favour the dual-classic winner over Tamayuz. 9/4 actually looks very good value for a confirmed runner too.
Can Ravens Pass get closer to these two?
Who will win the battle of the top milers?
Compltely dependent on the ground. If it’s good or better, HTN will struggle to lose, if it’s not he’ll struggle to win.
Its not just Ravens Pass but lines through Major Cadeux give Tamayuz the beating of HTN too. Tenuous i know but much ive found HTN lovely to wacth and profitable this year, frankly his last run was what i would call …worse than the excuses.
Paco Boy is certainly not out of this either
Its not just Ravens Pass but lines through Major Cadeux give Tamayuz the beating of HTN too. Tenuous i know but much ive found HTN lovely to wacth and profitable this year, frankly his last run was what i would call …worse than the excuses.
Paco Boy is certainly not out of this either
I wouldnt take collateral form too seriously wrt HTN.
He can sit behind any horse around and still produce the same finishing kick.
So long as the ground is in his favour.
Disappointing – that the mile championship of Europe will be determined not entirely by the ability of the contenders.
It is obvious to anybody with a passing knowledge of the form book that Henrythenavigator does no act on Soft going, which blunts his devastating change of gear.
As anyone who follows racing will well know, the ground was nowhere near as soft at longchamp as in Ireland. Change of gear? Did you watch the race? He was struggling before he had any opportunity to even be in contention to use any change of gear.
Why is "Paco Boy" noy out of it? Because he finished ahead of Tamayuz in the French 2,000 and ahead of Henrythenavigator at Deauville? Deeply insightful.
Did i say that?
One of your many tiresome traits is the constant rewriting of other peoples posts. Which leads to having to make tiresome corrections.
And we wont even start on the very basic fact that Henry has never run at Deauville
Times in France are never the most reliable as races are often run differently there to what they are in the UK. Races can often turn into sprints. Its no surprise when ground of G-S can give a time better than standard therefore when you get a truely run race. I’m always dubious about times in France.
Henry wasn’t helped by the ground last time out but neither was he helped by the draw he was drawn very wide and could never really get into the race whereas the winner Goldikova was drawn well, positioned perfectly and had the race run to suit.
Henrythenavigator is a top class fast ground miler and the harder the ground the better he is. He is however NOT head and shoulders above the rest of Europes milers and therefore if he doesn’t have conditions to suit he’s always going to be vulnerable.
An example of a horse that is head and shoulders above is Zarkava above the rest of the 3yo fillies. She’s so far ahead of them that conditions aren’t really going to matter for her against her own age and sex because unless she isn’t well she has so much in hand she can barely help but win. It may however be different when she takes on the colts and older horses.
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I would suspect that French going descriptions are more questionable than their standard times. For fairly obvious reasons, standard times are usually based on the faster run races, and Longchamp hosts enough good quality races for ST’s to be fairly well established.
For instance, Zarkava beat the ST by 5.5 secs yesterday, which by my crude reckoning equates to something over a 150 performance on the reported g/s ground. Most of the other times yesterday also suggest that the official going description was, at best, totally inaccurate.Henry wasn’t helped by the ground last time out but neither was he helped by the draw he was drawn very wide and could never really get into the race
But wasnt he nicely in touch up until the bend and then was really struggling to go with the pace? Maybe memory is faulty but I just felt the way he struggled, on ground which certainly wasnt heavy, indicates that there was more to this than draw/conditions
HTN was always,way behind in france he got going way to later imo the draw and the fact that he was given to much to do was his downfall
I think if the ground is good, HTN will win again.
If it’s Soft, my feeling is that Tamayuz will get away with the race.
Raven’s? I consider him a little bit inferior to those two, he’s always very close but fails to find the final sparking gear against them.MDeering,
You can’t post that the race won’t be determined by the ability of the contenders, and, again, expect this not to be challenged.
The QE2 will be decided by the ability of the contenders, as well as ability to handle to conditions on the day (& draw, and race strategy, and jockeyship); same as every race thus far this year. If Henrythenavigator is not adaptable as Tamayuz conditions wise, I would say this detracts from Henrythenavigator as a horse and adds to Tamayuz, wouldn’t you?
The good thing about ascot now,is the grd dyrs out very quickly so as long as it stays dry you would imagine the grd will ride good or faster
The QE2 will be decided by the ability of the contenders, as well as ability to handle to conditions on the day (& draw, and race strategy, and jockeyship); same as every race thus far this year. If Henrythenavigator is not adaptable as Tamayuz conditions wise, I would say this detracts from Henrythenavigator as a horse and adds to Tamayuz, wouldn’t you?
I agree but it is worth pointing out Tamayuz has not raced on anything faster than good ground so your comments about HTN may well apply to Tamayuz if he doesn’t handle GF ground. Having said that his sire handled fast ground though his dam never raced on it.
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