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  • #77615
    apalachee
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    Racing Post says …..appeal goes into the night. <br>Quote from RP website update just now<br>O’Brien said: "I couldn’t believe what Frankie did.He was either paranoid about Ballydoyle horses or realised he had given the horse a bad ride and needed someone to blame.â€ÂÂ

    #77616
    apalachee
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    the RP article goes on to quote Frankie saying that ….. in my heart of hearts I had a feeling something like that was going to happen.  <br>

    #77617
    Lingfield
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    Heffernan cleared of riding to team tactics.<br>More to follow

    #77618
    apalachee
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    FiveLive says Heffernan cleared of riding team tactics<br>Without having heard the procedings one take on this as follows:-<br> Frankie goes into the race expecting team tactics from Team Ballydoyle<br>Finds himself wide outside Ivan D. with 3f to race and ID not giving any quarter – tough on Libretist but nothing worthy of action from Frankie.<br>a weakening ID gets bumped by Arafa and pushed out into Frankie’s mount.  Frankie is expecting team tactics and assumes Heffernan guilty.  Lodges complaint then cant back down when he sees rerun. – <br>Or would he have seen the rerun before lodging complaint?

    #77619
    apalachee
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    sorry Lingfield – you beat me to it.

    #77620
    Lingfield
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    Heffernan has been cleared of riding to "team tactics" as the panel found no evidence that the horse was entered as a pacemaker or ran as one.<br>However he faces punishment for one of improper or careless riding. This will be announced tomorrow or Thursday. I find this puzzling as to me he just held position.

    #77621
    apalachee
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    I agree Lingfield. Looking forward to seeing reaction to this tomorrow.

    #77622
    The Market Man
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    I agree with you two I don’t see why Heffernan should get anything at all he did absolutely nothing wrong as I could see.

    #77623
    Monkey
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    The decision is a gutless attempt to get the suggestible Ascot stewards off the hook while avoiding accusing Coolmore of cheating.

    One of the stewards, Mr Nunneley, said in his explanation of their decision that day that the video evidence confirmed what Frankie Dettori had to say. In other words, it sounded as if they heard his complaint first and then looked at the film. And as has been pointed out above, Frankie himself has let slip that he was predisposed to believe there would be trouble in the race.

    Nunneley said that Ivan Denisovich had angled out six or seven horses wide approaching the bend and that this manoeuvre had impeded Librettist and thereby favoured ID’s running mates.

    The stewards may have had another camera angle to view, but the ATR video of the race gives no hint that ID was ever that far off the rail. It also shows that the bump Librettist received was clearly the knock-on effect of a bump given to ID by Araafa.

    It seems to me that the decision by the Ascot stewards was plain wrong and that yesterday’s decision not to reverse it completely is a cowardly fudge.

    #77624
    seabird
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    Well, if Frankie felt that way and still got caught out, then it doesn’t say a lot for his intelligence, does it!?

    Sorry!!, jockey and intelligence in the same sentence, there’s a word for that isn’t there?

    Colin

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    Anonymous
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    Quote: from seabird on 8:32 am on Oct. 4, 2006[br]Well, if Frankie felt that way and still got caught out, then it doesn’t say a lot for his intelligence, does it!?

    Sorry!!, jockey and intelligence in the same sentence, there’s a word for that isn’t there?

    Colin

    Yup; Horseymoron!:)

    #77626
    Galejade
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    Monkey,

    The stewards do indeed have other cameras which are not available to ATR including one which follows the race round rather than the fixed – usually Grandstand  – ATR cameras.

    It also seems clear from O,Brien’s instructions that Heffernan was told to avoid the inside poached ground and carried Dettori wide at the bend. Whether this is merely careless or improper riding the stewards will decide but they have indicated that heffernan conducted a riding offence and as such Dettori was entitled to complain although perhaps with less emotion than  he displayed. But Dettori without  naked emotions would not be the Dettori we apparantly all love.

    #77627
    Monkey
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    According to Nunneley on the day of the race, Heffernan was six or seven horse widths off the rail before the bend. Have a look at the video on ATR – it’s free to view – and see what you think rather than telling me what the stewards think.

    #77628
    Galejade
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    Monkey,

    What I think is that The ATR video does not show the view that the stewards can get from their tracking camera.

    O’Brien and heffernen said that they drifted 7 horses wide ( according to the RP) so I imagine that the stewards camera shows this. One arguement was that this was a team tactic – the stewards accept that it was not but their seems no doubt that ID drifted wide on the approach to the bend as Librettist came alongside

    You cannot tell from the side view that the ATR camera gives. When my trainer had attended stewards enquiries fizzing he has come out chastened by the views he saw over and above the fixed TV camera which fore shortens in many circumstances

    #77629
    Monkey
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    Galejade, according to the RP it was Dettori, not Heffernan, who was six or seven horses wide:

    Dettori was the first to give evidence, explaining that he had moved up to challenge Ballydoyle’s third runner, River Tiber, after three furlongs to “inject some paceâ€ÂÂ

    #77630
    Mr Frisk
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    This is the full notice …

    SEAMUS HEFFERNAN APPEAL RESULT

    The Disciplinary Panel of the Horseracing Regulatory Authority (HRA), on 3 October 2006, considered an appeal lodged by Seamus Heffernan, the rider of IVAN DENISOVICH (IRE), unplaced in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, against the decision of the Stewards at Ascot to find him guilty of improper riding in the light of Instruction H1 headed “Pacemakers (Team Tactics)â€ÂÂ

    #77631
    Librettist
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    "The Panel concluded that Heffernan was not trying to act as a spoiler, but he did deliberately take a line which had the effect of materially interfering with LIBRETTIST (USA), though this did not spoil the latter’s chances. One test of his deliberation is this. If the horse on his outside had been GEORGE WASHINGTON (IRE) rather than LIBRETTIST (USA), would Heffernan have carried him wide? The Panel does not believe he would have, and if he had, he would not have received the enthusiastic endorsement of his riding that O’Brien gave…."

    Quite right too. Both sides are wrong in this. Frankie for hypocrisy in forgetting the fact Godolphin have used similar tactics in the past and Coolmore for doing it this time. Hopefully someone a lot cleverer than me will be able to come up with a solution/prevention so that everyone gets a fair run in future

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