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To my eyes, Stacelita just didn’t stay the trip.
In a race run at only a modest pace, it was noticeable that most of the field were closing her down at the end of the race. Would’ve won a minute over 10f though, and I wouldn’t care to oppose her on a return to that distance.
Nice to see Spanish Moon confirm he’s a genuine gp1 performer though – a proposition laughed at by some, when he finished 2nd in Dubai.
I’ve just seen the race again and I have to agree with you Reet she was going well until the final furlong when she came back to them and Plumania and Board meeting made up 2 and half lengths from the Diane race which would support this.
STS and Stacelita do they get the trip that would be my concern not their class.Lord and Lady Lordwebber are singing the blues and their lawyer must think its his birthday..
I would hope that if they can get this sorted the French would have the decency too present them with their prize on Arc day.
i still stcick to my opinion that if longchamps a bog on arc day sariska wins on the bridle and stacellita just didnt stay and i also agree about the fact that how dylan thomas didnt get thrown out for doing the same thing in the arc is a joke n im a huge dylan thomas fan . but i dont agree wiv the comments of the stacellita fan up there . jusd excuses i no u cud say same about sariska but going into season during a race is a pretty major thing for a 3 yr old filly to handle when there was no sign of it b4 the race. also the ground shes good on good ground but jusd isnt top class on it . bells horses are still in bad form but theyll be picking up soon enough. im praying for a down pour cause lets all face facts if its good or better stacellita nor sariska nor fame and glory nor no one will get close to beating the mighty sea the stars it just cannot be beaten on fastish ground .
also credit were cradits due dar re mi has now won 2 group 1s in a row and doesnt seem 2 be getting any recognition a horse thats improving at a vast rate of knots and on fast ground / good ground should be 2nd in the arc .
this all stems back from the day the French super horse Sagace was disqualified from winning his 2nd Arc by the local stewards who saw fit to award Rainbow Quest the race,for the slightest of nudges!
This remark may be made tongue-in-cheek. The liberal use of exclamation marks in the whole of the post from which the above is taken suggests that it is. However, if the comment is seriously made then I strongly disagree with it. Rainbow Quest would have won without the interference from Sagace.
this all stems back from the day the French super horse Sagace was disqualified from winning his 2nd Arc by the local stewards who saw fit to award Rainbow Quest the race,for the slightest of nudges!
This remark may be made tongue-in-cheek. The liberal use of exclamation marks in the whole of the post from which the above is taken suggests that it is. However, if the comment is seriously made then I strongly disagree with it. Rainbow Quest would have won without the interference from Sagace.
Not a glimmer of tongue in cheek Gus. Sagace won the race by out battling Rainbow Quest, who was not renowned for his tenacity!
Sagace won the race by out battling Rainbow Quest, who was not renowned for his tenacity!
I couldn’t disagree more. I backed Rainbow Quest that day and was out of my seat as on two occasions in the closing stages his impetus seemed certain to take him past Sagace. Both times, however, his run was checked and he failed to get by. From the original side-on view nothing was obvious but the head-on soon revealed the reason: two hefty bumps – not "the slightest of nudges" – knocked him out of his stride.
Eddery came back to the unsaddling enclosure and announced to all and sundry that they were sure to get the race in the stewards’ room and he was right.
And not an exclamation mark in sight.
Sagace won the race by out battling Rainbow Quest, who was not renowned for his tenacity!
I couldn’t disagree more. I backed Rainbow Quest that day and was out of my seat as on two occasions in the closing stages his impetus seemed certain to take him past Sagace. Both times, however, his run was checked and he failed to get by. From the original side-on view nothing was obvious but the head-on soon revealed the reason: two hefty bumps – not "the slightest of nudges" – knocked him out of his stride.
Eddery came back to the unsaddling enclosure and announced to all and sundry that they were sure to get the race in the stewards’ room and he was right.
Gus i too backed Rainbow Quest that day,i"m sure i got 10/1 and felt very fortunate that the result was reversed,particularly when you see how tenderly ridden Sagace was in the finish,it was Rainbow who came down the outside to throw down his challenge and veered across the course to draw alongside Sagace where contact was made on more than one occassion,Pat to this day says he was impeded 3 times by Sagace,i believe to this day Rainbow wouldn"t go past him and Sagace would never have let him! I can remember Rainbow refusing to go past Lear Fan in the Craven and chucking his dummy out against Pebbles in the Eclipse,i also remember El Gran Senor making him look positively pedestrian on more than one occassion,but thats another story! He did sire me a 50/1 Derby winner in Quest for fame,so i did like Rainbow Quest!
In reply to Fist and many others Zarkava and Stacelita are uncomparable and I hate it when people use this comparison. Zarkava was a hold up horse who came late and looked spectacular, Stacelita is a front runner so that would kill that part of the comparison.
Zarkava was at her best when the ground was good or faster and still very good on softer ground. Stacelita is the complete opposite of that, at her best on soft or worse and very good on good or faster. This dispel’s any similarity and makes them uncomparable.
A far as times are concerned which are comparable Stacelita ran 1 second faster in the Prix Diane, this would also be down to the gallop and ground conditions similarly in the Vermeille where Zarkava ran 3 to 4 Seconds faster than Stacelita but also the ground was probably firmer and Adored set a furious gallop that day.
Like one racing post pundit said " the only thing they have in common is that they are fillies trained in France and have 4 legs".What he meant was and I think its on the Racing post website in the video section Stacelita is basically a donkey and shouldn’t be supplemented for the Arc.
Some people are so gullable and I felt like giving him one right there and then. 
The only people who made the comparisons were the people so desperate for another superstar that they didn’t even bother to look at the form. I mean it was such an unbelievably pathetic comparison that I’m still finding it hard to find a reason how people could possibly make it. Zarkava won a Group 1 as a 2yo, won the Pouliches and then the Diane. She had speed. All this thing has is a bunch of unbelievably inferior horses, a trainer who was in hot form and a table of stewards all sitting down with 4-figure PMU slips on her.
I’ve said since the start of June that this is a completely average animal and oh look, I’ve been proved right. Only thing she might be winning this year is the Prix l’Opera.
I mean I ask you all yet again, have any of her victims won anything more than a Group 3 (which was won by a nose I might add)?
In reply to Fist and many others Zarkava and Stacelita are uncomparable and I hate it when people use this comparison. Zarkava was a hold up horse who came late and looked spectacular, Stacelita is a front runner so that would kill that part of the comparison.
Zarkava was at her best when the ground was good or faster and still very good on softer ground. Stacelita is the complete opposite of that, at her best on soft or worse and very good on good or faster. This dispel’s any similarity and makes them uncomparable.
A far as times are concerned which are comparable Stacelita ran 1 second faster in the Prix Diane, this would also be down to the gallop and ground conditions similarly in the Vermeille where Zarkava ran 3 to 4 Seconds faster than Stacelita but also the ground was probably firmer and Adored set a furious gallop that day.
Like one racing post pundit said " the only thing they have in common is that they are fillies trained in France and have 4 legs".Mentioning Zarkava and Stacelita in the same post, let alone paragraph or sentence, should be punishable by way of a ban.
Given a clearer run and chance to get stoked up earlier, Da Re Mi would have been able to give Stacelita another 6lb and a thorough beating from what I saw.
https://theracingforum.co.uk/forum/v … c&start=15
Disagree strongly. Visually impressive, but the form is worth diddly squat. Le Havre’s beaten nothing and neither has Stacelita. This time last year Zarkava had beaten an Irish 1000 Guineas winner, a Prix Sandringham winner and a Listed winner. Look at what Stacelita beat in the Saint Alary. Between the 6 behind her, they’ve had 19 starts this season and just 4 wins, and 3 of those were courtesy of the horse who finished last.
Use Fantasia as the main formline and you’ll see what she’s been beating.
Same goes for Le Havre, don’t rate that form for toffee. Westphalia 3rd? No thanks.
But along comes Stacelita, beats absolutely nothing and people are raving about her and saying she’s just as good as Zarkava. Don’t make me laugh.
Ok, we’ll look in 3 months time and if the rubbish behind Stacelita has won more than 2 Group 1s (Halfway to Heaven & Goldikova had won 4 by mid-September), I’ll hold my hands up.
My bad, they didn’t even win a Group 2 between them.
"This thing" as you call her Zarkava form might not be good but if everything went to form who would always have the last laugh the bookmaker or the punter I ask you? Lets wait until the Arc and if she beats multiple Group 1 winners I hope that shuts you up. She never raced over a mile (guineas) and the ones she beat in the Diane havent to my knowledge competed in a Group 1 since.
Am not an expert at this game young and full of mistakes I know but me and many others saw in the Diane an incredible show of Speed Athletism and class that would rival STS performances over a mile and quarter. This was also on ground she doesn’t really like. Hence the inevitable comparisons to Zarkava started.
She ran a good race in the Vermeille but it wasclear to see she had nothing left in the tank at the end maybe because of stamina or lack of match practise.
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