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i acnt say i`d agree with you ian.
perhaps alan could tell us why if he is a succesful pro gambler, he needs to go and spend an afternoon on ATR for what i beleive to be a pittance of a fee ? no disrespect alan honestly but i cant see why you want to appear on there so often ?
i personally think over a year collier would come out on top no probs followed closely by fox and then potts !
<br>DJ,
Simple – I do the afternoons on ATR because I enjoy it and it provides a break from the routine. I live alone and the job is a solitary one, so the contact is also enjoyable.
It’s the same with writing – I write because I enjoy writing and always have, right back to producing ‘compositions’ for school when I was a kid.
It’s safe to say that I’ve never made enough from media work in a year to match the average weekly wage. The two books I published produced royalties over five or six years that were less than a fireman’s annual income. And I never actually received 25% of that money as the publisher went bust.
I didn’t go seeking the work with ATR – they came to me – and since gambling is by it’s nature uncertain (as your accounts showed until November), why turn down other income.
I’m not going to enter a debate about who’d do best etc – not sure it’s relevant anyway.
Alan
fair do`s alan. i see your point actually cos i spend most days at home betting and watching racing and even if you`re winning it can be a bit boring and i can see how getting in to ATR may well help clear your head.<br>must get to go racing more but its bloody freezing at the moment !
I must say how highly I regard Allan Potts for his contributions on this Forum and long may he appear on ATR for it makes a change for some common sense to be heard.
Like DJ I try to earn a bob or to at this game, but in a much smaller way.
I go to the races quite often but treat the day out as just that, a good day out, as I cannot help but bet in every race. Consequently I do not bet very heavily, £20-£30 per race, and also do not come away winning very often either.:(
If I stay at home and chose my races and stick to my own rules then I can make this game pay, but I have not got, or wish to have, the strength to go to the races and only bet in a couple of races, the costs and expenses of a day at the races far outstrip any advantages to be gained in the betting ring.
Be Lucky
John.
I very much doubt that great gamblers like Phil Bull, Alex Bird and Barney Curley would have contemplated the idea of selling "tips" to the general public just to soil their nests in the process.
(Edited by pixo at 1:34 pm on Dec. 12, 2002)
Which "professional backers" are you refering to Ian, I am very curious can you please name them?
Do they have, like Alex Bird did, a XV Century moated house in Cheshire, a string of luxury cars and succesful racehorses, their own private jet, a box at old tratford and a riverside suite at the Savoy? Or perhaps, like him, they have won over £123,000 (aproximately £1 million in today’s money) on a single horse -Mill Reef.
Alex Bird turnover in the 60’s was £2 million a year, and indeed at a stroke the introduction of 2.5% betting tax in 1966 wiped off his profit margin. However he then reduced his annual turnover to £250K and cut-off 80% of his wagers. The year before he died, he pulled a massive coup in the 1990 Ayr Gold Cup. Final Shot was backed from 40/1 into 12/1 and the result was never in doubt.
As far as criticising Alex Bird "professionalism" please take note that this man had the discipline of not having a bet after chartering a private plane to Newmarket on four consecutive days.
Regarding your statement on Phil Bull, lets make one thing clear as water… Phil Bull made his fortune from gambling and not publishing.
Last, but not least, Barney Curley. Are you aware Ian that the famous "Yellow Sam Coup" in 1975 netted him almost £300K then?
Going back to my original post premise if I may and why it would be ilogical for great gamblers to sell "tips". There was a popular racecourse saying during Alex Bird heyday: "Alex Bird won’t go to bed with his wife the night before a big punt in case he talks in his sleep" I think that says it all.
(Edited by pixo at 4:06 pm on Dec. 12, 2002)
Ian, could you please give me then a ballpark figure of the yearly income from gambling on horseracing from these anonymous "professional backers" you mentioned?
Oh Ian –
what would gambling be without people larging it.
For example I have a set of Le Creuset saucepans – we call them Atone after the horse that funded them.
Ummm….
Hi Tooting,
I’ve can only manage Le Creuset ovenware, ramekins & the like.
You must be doing better than me! ;)
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