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    Avatar photoChivers1987
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    Muhaarar is the obvious stand out for this race and with plenty of good weather over the French isles the ground will be better than good.
    6/4 is plenty short though and there could be a big run lined up from Ivawood. I can’t find much info as to why he was so poor at Royal Ascot but to finish 13 lengths behind the winner is clear indication that something was amiss.
    His run in the Irish 2000 was fantastic and he was blazing full speed at the 6f mark before not quite having enough to last out the mile. 13/2 is decent.

    There is one outsider who looks interesting at 33/1. Fontanelice has run in two group 1 races at a mile and 10 furlongs recently with her in running comments suggesting she wants a drop in trip. The drying ground doesn’t look in her favour though and that should be the undoing of her.

    I can’t quite decide how to play this yet, if I play it at all that is, but, Ivawood is the most intriguing member of this line up and is a lot more tempting with an each way price.

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    Chivers, I found this on the Hannon’s website:-

    Richard Hannon said:”This has been the plan for Ivawood for some time as the six and a half furlong trip looks ideal. His one blip came in the Jersey Stakes at Royal Ascot, but he hit the wall soon after half-way and looked to be feeling the effects of those two cracking efforts behind Gleneagles in the English and Irish Guineas. We have freshened him up and he has thrived for the break, so we expect a big run from him. Frankie (Dettori) rides.

    Muhaarar has enough in hand on ratings to win this but the odds of reward are skinny. He wasn’t great the last time he was in France and it was quite a tough race for him last time. Away from home I would pass on him at the price.

    Ivawood was my Guineas horse ante-post but I had a bad feeling after the Middle Park that he wouldn’t get there. Even if he is fresher now I couldn’t get involved at the odds on a horse who hasn’t won since 31st July last year.

    Esoterique is awfully short as well. This is a new trip for her but there hasn’t been any sign that she’s needed to drop in distance, and if it is the making of her, they have taken long enough to suss it out. Way too short for me with questions on the pace front.

    Gordon Lord Byron would have interested me if it were a bog but not on faster ground.

    Wokingham runner up Robert Le Diable has a ton to find on the book and serious seconditis. For some reason the website I visited to check the prices stuck him into the betting basket for me without me doing anything.

    Must be an omen.

    Robert Le Diable each-way 33/1 (Poltergeists are never wrong LOL)

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    I have decided to stay away from this race, I’m still reeling a little from not getting involved on Amazing Maria last week and I have that urge to take a pick.
    I can’t back Ivawood after such a poor run, even if he has been freshened up and Muhaarar is too short, especially when looking at the bare form of his last race when he could only get up by a nose to beat Tropics.
    Too risky.

    I edited out my evaluation of Esoterique as I basically said her price was laughable and thought maybe I was being a bit harsh. Andre Fabre has never won this race btw.

    I can’t discourage you from following the signs Steve, Robert The Devil – an omen?
    You can’t back out of it now.

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    Hannon and Hughes were all over Ivawood before the Jersey. I think he has either gone backwards or the others have improved past him as he looked a bull of a two year old. They compared him to Toronado but he progressed well from two to three. Zebedee the sire of Ivawood was an early type and although I would love to see him land this I wont be holding my breath.

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    I edited out my evaluation of Esoterique as I basically said her price was laughable and thought maybe I was being a bit harsh. Andre Fabre has never won this race btw.

    I don’t know about this.. Esoterique’s second in the Queen Anne is surely very good form & I wouldn’t read too much into Fabre not winning the race before. The trip is a worry though, Esoterique looks bred to be a miler and might even get 10f so tomorrow looks on the sharp side but at 5/1 I might be tempted

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    Muhaarar made it but it was far from plain sailing. I was happy with Gordon Lord Byron’s run with a view to the Sprint Cup, where he will be an entirely different proposition if the ground comes up soft.

    Ivawood was disappointing again and the Hannon’s must be seeing a different horse at home to the one I am watching on the racecourse. I still feel the horse’s career burst when he was beaten in the Middle Park last season. He’s not been well placed in my opinion.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Muhaarar made it but it was far from plain sailing. I was happy with Gordon Lord Byron’s run with a view to the Sprint Cup, where he will be an entirely different proposition if the ground comes up soft.

    Ivawood was disappointing again and the Hannon’s must be seeing a different horse at home to the one I am watching on the racecourse. I still feel the horse’s career burst when he was beaten in the Middle Park last season. He’s not been well placed in my opinion.

    Concur that Muhaarar appeared to be struggling halfway before getting the job done. Would need to travel better to win more G1s I think.

    Ivawood again disappointing but was slow away and bumped later. New pilot Dettori reckons he has lost some of the speed he once had. Although placed in two Guineas he’s never appeared the strongest finisher over a mile IMO compared to the likes of Gleneagles and going back to 7f or 6 1/2f and ridden prominently seemed the right move . Plenty to prove now- maybe we have seen the best of him and he was a precocious 2 yr old who has been overtaken by the oppo. How would you have campaigned him out of interest? Doubtless connections had big money Arab offers for him that they might wish they had accepted in hindsight. Owners were mixed up in Toronado ownership and he was sold.

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    Muhaarar made it but it was far from plain sailing. I was happy with Gordon Lord Byron’s run with a view to the Sprint Cup, where he will be an entirely different proposition if the ground comes up soft.

    Ivawood was disappointing again and the Hannon’s must be seeing a different horse at home to the one I am watching on the racecourse. I still feel the horse’s career burst when he was beaten in the Middle Park last season. He’s not been well placed in my opinion.

    Concur that Muhaarar appeared to be struggling halfway before getting the job done. Would need to travel better to win more G1s I think.

    Ivawood again disappointing but was slow away and bumped later. New pilot Dettori reckons he has lost some of the speed he once had. Although placed in two Guineas he’s never appeared the strongest finisher over a mile IMO compared to the likes of Gleneagles and going back to 7f or 6 1/2f and ridden prominently seemed the right move . Plenty to prove now- maybe we have seen the best of him and he was a precocious 2 yr old who has been overtaken by the oppo. How would you have campaigned him out of interest? Doubtless connections had big money Arab offers for him that they might wish they had accepted in hindsight. Owners were mixed up in Toronado ownership and he was sold.

    There seemed a stage after the Richmond Stakes when the Hannons seemed unsure about where they were going next with Ivawood. He was entered in some of the silly sales races and at one stage looked like running in one of them. It was a situation where I felt they needed to be finding out whether Ivawood was likely to stay a mile at three years of age and the logical step in my mind was to try a 7f race and see what the stamina prognosis was in the aftermath of that race.

    Much was made of whether Ivawood would train on at three being by the Sire Zebedee. I though the horse possessed sufficient physical scope to make a good three year old and when you have doubts in your mind on stamina, I think the sooner you find out, the better you can make long term plans.

    It ended up being an eleven week gap between Ivawood’s races and it went soft by the time he tackled the Middle Park. In the end we never really found out one way or the other as Charming Thought pulled off a narrow shock win.

    I would have tried him and 7f and/or run in The Dewhurst to find out where the best way to head with him was. The way he was campaigned meant he was trained to get a mile and then the dropping in trip from that means you need a horse to race differently to be effective.

    He probably lies between trips now and is neither one thing nor the other. Perhaps he just hasn’t progressed, yet he’s managed to place in a couple of good races, suggesting that maybe there is residual ability there. I just wonder if they had had the whole winter committed to making him a sprinter, would it have panned out more successfully?

    Just my thoughts on it.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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