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i wouldn’t say its more wide open this year, id say its very competetive. workforce being the most underrated horse in it! alot of people writing it off, i suppose because of its flop in the king george. the horse has only ran 4 times, derby as a win. i think people just want to make excuses because they generally dislike the horse.
I’d pick Cape Blanco if pushed, but its wide open. Maybe the Foy/Niel will help, but i doubt it.
How is it wide open? Name me more than 5 realistic contenders. Oh, and Cape Blanco cannot win an Arc with the busy season he’s had.
One of the things that grates about all racing forums are people saying things like "it’s wide open" without having the slightest idea what they are on about.
The 1st 10 in the market have reasonable claims i would say. Whilst i write – do you know what "grates" me? Arrogant, ignorant people assuming they know best. How you can make that condescending comment whilst claiming "Cape Blanco cannot win an Arc with the busy season he’s had"?
Cape Blanco – 5 runs this season prior to Arc.
Dylan Thomas – 7
Rail Link – 6
Sea the Stars – 5
Marienbard – 5
Sakhee – 6I could go on but i can’t be bothered.
"Euro" wrote:
I’d pick Cape Blanco if pushed, but its wide open. Maybe the Foy/Niel will help, but i doubt it.
How is it wide open? Name me more than 5 realistic contenders. Oh, and Cape Blanco cannot win an Arc with the busy season he’s had.
One of the things that grates about all racing forums are people saying things like "it’s wide open" without having the slightest idea what they are on about.
As one who has labelled this race as an "open" affair, I must admit that partly what I mean is that there’s no outstanding candidate.
Sariska, Sarafina, Fame And Glory, Behkabad, Planteur, Cape Blanco, Workforce, perhaps even Rewilding, St Nicholas Abbey and Youmzain.
Although I am extremely confident of a Behkabad Arc victory, the trends say he needs to win on Sunday. While it’s true that Peintre Celebre and Bago both won the Arc after tasting defeat in the Niel, they’d still won 50%+ of their starts that season. If Behkabad is beaten on Sunday, he’ll be at 40%. No-one’s won an Arc after winning less than 50% of their starts for that year since Subotica in 1992 after winning just 1 of his 4 starts.
The 1st 10 in the market have reasonable claims i would say. Whilst i write – do you know what "grates" me? Arrogant, ignorant people assuming they know best. How you can make that condescending comment whilst claiming "Cape Blanco cannot win an Arc with the busy season he’s had"?
Cape Blanco – 5 runs this season prior to Arc.
Dylan Thomas – 7
Rail Link – 6
Sea the Stars – 5
Marienbard – 5
Sakhee – 6I could go on but i can’t be bothered.
Oh dear. Possibly the most pointless list I’ve ever seen.
Dylan Thomas – a 4yo who actually ran below form in the Arc. Something a horse like CB won’t have the luxury of.
Rail Link. Had a break and was given a proper Arc prep. No King George.
STS. I can’t actually believe you brought his name up. Insulting.
Marienbard. What was he a 5yo? Not relavent.
Sakhee. Only 3 runs tops before his Arc.Sorry for my condescending attitude, I sometimes can’t help it when I read such nonsense.
Sariska, Sarafina, Fame And Glory, Behkabad, Planteur, Cape Blanco, Workforce, perhaps even Rewilding, St Nicholas Abbey and Youmzain.
I’m sorry, but part of a punters armoury has got to be the ability to rule animals out when assessing a race. F@G, Behkabad, Planteur and Workforce is where the winner will come from.
I’m all for ruling out horses Euro, but to say the likes of Sariska has absolutely zero chance is just plain wrong.
All about opinions! F&G and Behkabad are also high on my list but I feel perhaps Fame lacks that little bit of tactical speed needed. That’s the only slight doubt I have about him. A lot will also depend on the draw of course.
Every race is wide open if you dont have a strong opinion about it,i believe this years Arc is there for the taking for
Workforce
.He is the lightest raced yet has the most scope for improvement of all the contenders,his Derby win is the single most impressive performance of all too. Youmzain will chase his own shadow but refuse to pass it so again will run a gallant place,Fame and Glory will hit the front 2 out and it will take an exceptional horse to pass him!
Planteur will finish in front of Bekhabad and will surprise many! Simple really!The 1st 10 in the market have reasonable claims i would say. Whilst i write – do you know what "grates" me? Arrogant, ignorant people assuming they know best. How you can make that condescending comment whilst claiming "Cape Blanco cannot win an Arc with the busy season he’s had"?
Cape Blanco – 5 runs this season prior to Arc.
Dylan Thomas – 7
Rail Link – 6
Sea the Stars – 5
Marienbard – 5
Sakhee – 6I could go on but i can’t be bothered.
Oh dear. Possibly the most pointless list I’ve ever seen.
Dylan Thomas – a 4yo who actually ran below form in the Arc. Something a horse like CB won’t have the luxury of.
Rail Link. Had a break and was given a proper Arc prep. No King George.
STS. I can’t actually believe you brought his name up. Insulting.
Marienbard. What was he a 5yo? Not relavent.
Sakhee. Only 3 runs tops before his Arc.Sorry for my condescending attitude, I sometimes can’t help it when I read such nonsense.
Maybe if you clarified exactly what you meant Euro i’d have a fighting chance of reasoning against it, while you condescend its worth you remembering thats what this place should be all about really.
Cape Blanco cannot win the Arc you say because of a "busy season". When i show this up being wrong, you now seem to be saying you meant busy season for a 3yo. But only 3yo’s who don’t run in the King George and which other races? What is a proper Arc preperation? So if a horse has ran in the King George you put a line through it? Is that the same for the Irish Champion Stakes? Please at least clarify the rather sweeping, confusing point
On the subject of nonsense, Sakhee ran six times ion the season running up to his Arc win – at least have the good grace to do your research and stop posting inaccuracies whilst accusing others of talking nonsense.
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For the first time in a while I haven’t had a bet/lay this year. Whatever happens its going to be a lacklustre Arc. The likes of Zarkava and Sea The Stars are very tough acts to follow. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see a double figure priced horse in the winners stall. The one animal I cannot have in spite of his many fans is Planteur. I await the howls in a similar manner to last year when I bagged Stacelita.
On the subject of nonsense, Sakhee ran six times ion the season running up to his Arc win – at least have the good grace to do your research and stop posting inaccuracies whilst accusing others of talking nonsense.
Right back at you.
Indeed. I remember selling Sakhee’s performance on the spreads in the International in his Arc year and one of the reasons was that it was only his second run of the year after a bloodless victory in an egg and spoon race at Newbury. The Arc was next on the agenda after York. I really don’t know where you got six runs from.
He ran in;
Apr 00
May 00
Jun 00
Jul 00Then got injured.
Jul 01
Aug 01
Oct 01It’s easy to confuse the year given the months in which he ran, but not if you look properly.
I firmly believe that Workforce was hugely flattered by his Derby win by the other runners (bar At First Sight) not handling the track, but he has to be one of the dangers to Behkabad and the other Frenchies because he is still unexposed/his form is a bit murky. And even though the others did not run to their best the Derby run still puts him up as a serious horse. And who knows, he may very well improve on slower ground given his action.
Cape Blanco has had a long season but even before taking that into account I think he does his best racing over 10 furlongs. If he were a 12 furlong horse I think he should have won more easily at the Curragh and wouldn’t have been under pressure from before 3 out in the KG.
I don’t think Fame & Glory can win it unless the going is very soft. Most Arcs are won by horses with a sharp turn of foot and he lacks that, and looks like he would be susceptible to a horse with that quality. He’ll need cut in the ground and the race perfectly run to suit to win in my opinion, but he’s still a decent place chance.
Planteur will finish in front of Bekhabad and will surprise many! Simple really!
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