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I believe that Senor Dettori had the correct answer.Send the son packing and if he is good enough he will prove it.
My opinion for the Aussie was he was just too far back, pulled lengths off the majority of the field and held pace with the winner (who one person in this thread has already labelled the best middle distance horse in the world now
) from the top of the straight. In my opinion it was a very poor ride. The horse has great tactical speed that was not used at all in this race. Despite running 4th I’d forget about the run, he’s better than that. I honestly think he’s more a 1600-2000 horse anyway, although also think he has now proven he can run a decent 2400 too. Wonder if they’ll retire him now? Or go on the the breeders cup?
Actually, Danedream stretched away from SYT and Sarafina, who should have had every chance to finish as hard as they could given they were held up out the back off a strong pace. I agree it would be interesting if So You Think drew well and was alongside Danedream in the run, but on yesterday’s evidence Danedream is the better horse though SYT is second best (discounting the ones who ran shockers like Workforce, Nakayama, though I’d give SYT the edge over them).
SYT most certainly stayed 12f, and most who knew his Australian form would be reasonably certain that he would. He carried top weight in a 2 mile handicap and was only headed in the final furlong by two good horses… after pulling(Americain and Maluckyday).
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SYT was deliberately held up as both trainer and jockey had expressed concerns about his getting the trip beforehand.
He came to have every chance but just wasn’t good enough at this distance (even on the very fast ground) and plainly isn’t the same horse he is over his specialist distance.… but on yesterday’s evidence Danedream is the better horse though SYT is second best (discounting the ones who ran shockers like Workforce, Nakayama, though I’d give SYT the edge over them).
I’ll see your second best and raise you 3rd best
I actually think Snow Fairy came out 2nd best. I have re-watched it a few times and SYT pretty much tracked Snow Fairy every step of the way and had every chance to go past her if good enough. They had very similar runs (IMO) the entire way round. SYT did seem to lose a length or two in the false straight but I really do think – given the fillies allowance – Snow Fairy is about his equal.
What I do agree on is, because no one backed her, the winner isn’t getting any credit for running away from a decent field.
SYT was deliberately held up as both trainer and jockey had expressed concerns about his getting the trip beforehand.
He came to have every chance but just wasn’t good enough at this distance (even on the very fast ground) and plainly isn’t the same horse he is over his specialist distance.He was held up and ridden back because he drew 14. Had it been 10f he runs about 6th with the same run, he ran the 12f out no prob, i am not sure what the sectionals were for the last 3f but i would say it would have been impossible to run the time required from back there and win.Nothing can be taken away from the winner,yes she was given a beautiful run and ride but she destroyed them.
I dont think you have to be Einstein to see So You Think ran the 12f out strongly.I dont think he should be comdemned to the retirement paddock on that run, under the circumstances both horse and rider did well. Hard to take anything away from the winner though, i think that everyone cant wait to see Frankel up against the best older horses and full credit if he beats them.
So You Think will continue to run but they have already lowered their sights and ruled the Breeders out by the looks of it. No doubt he’ll follow in the footsteps of Fame and Glory and start long odds on for a few moderately contested Group 1’s in Ireland then have a 2nd go at the Champion Stakes before retiring but I doubt if they’ll run him over 12f again. Time will tell.
As far as Frankel goes there’s not a lot around for him to beat. He already made mincemeat of Canford Cliffs who did the same to Goldikova and as the former has been retired and she will be after the breeders if there’s any danger to Frankel it will surely come from the younger brigade.
Would be interesting if he stepped up to 10 furlong and clashed with So You Think but I doubt very much if the Aussie horse could cope.
Sir Henry has done the right thing keeping him at a mile and he may continue to do so. His target will be to keep Frankel unbeaten so he’d have to be very confident he’d get the trip before taking the gamble on 10f. I suspect they will look for an easy race at 10f to check him out before crossing sword with So You Think.
I think So You Think is obviously a decent horse but I thought the run showed that he is probably about as good as Snow Fairy, who herself didn’t have the best of draws. As for the winner, maybe she hasnt done enough to be the best middle distnace horse in Europe, but she is definitly progresing pretty rapidly and she routed them. Didnt Aiden have a filly a few years ago who took a long time to actually win a group race and then went on to be pretty much unbeatable?
Ha ha a decent horse yes you are right that much is definitely obvious. Actually he’s a shitload better than decent my friend.
Probably as good as Snow Fairy? you’re kidding yourself what myopic anti-ballydoyle drugs are you on mate? He’s beaten Snow Fairy by 9 lengths and then a neck when she had the sneaky trail and he was coasting.
The horse came from basically last on the turn chasing a horse that burned it’s last 800 and was carrying a lot less weight. SYT is capable of doing it at both ends, in my opinion had the rider made a bit more effort early and had him in a better position to attack the winner towards the finish it would have been very close. All this horse manure about him being suspect at 2400 is just that horse manure.
Don’t let your coolmore hate influence your admiration and love for a great galloper like SYT.
The other thing to consider is this is his first season in europe and traditionally it takes horses that have gone north-south at least 1 full prep to fully acclimatise and hit their peak. I think you will see a better SYT next prep up there and hopefully if they persist he will be an excellent chance in next years arc too.
Would be interesting if he stepped up to 10 furlong and clashed with So You Think but I doubt very much if the Aussie horse could cope.
Sir Henry has done the right thing keeping him at a mile and he may continue to do so. His target will be to keep Frankel unbeaten so he’d have to be very confident he’d get the trip before taking the gamble on 10f. I suspect they will look for an easy race at 10f to check him out before crossing sword with So You Think.
Your first paragraph is laughable. SYT is clearly one of if not the best 10f horses in the world but you doubt he could keep up with frankel.
Then in the next para you suggest henry is wrapping frankel in cotton wool by only stretching him out under certain carefully calculated circumstances.
Mate you can’t have it both ways.
Dear oh dear. More Aussie whinging.
Time to face it Bruce. He aint that good!
A perfectly respectable 127/128 horse yes. Admirably tough and consistent yes. A genuine Group 1 performer yes. A strong gallloper yes. A world-beating superstar no.
Read your own journalist in the Melbourne Sun for a refreshingly un-blinkered Aussie view.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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SYT may well be one of the best 10f horses in the world – he ain’t at 12f, and I doubt he’ll ever run over the trip again, no matter how long he stays in training.
Putting aside all of the politics about the race
at one point Aidan walked down the walkway past crowds of people..he probably had a lot on his mind and a lot to do. He signed every racecard that was handed to him [there were a lot] and was charming and polite to everyone. He so went up in my estimation by doing so. Can’t imagine Henry Cecil behaving like that.
He is a perfet gentleman.Always has been.His children are too.No question about that.
How long will he keep him unbeaten? Avoiding the opposition at this time of year seems to indicated fear not confidence.By now he should be prepared to travel around the world.Sea the Stars had run in Ireland, England and France by the end of his second year.What is Henry afraid of? That a Galileo won’t get a mile and two? How will he find out? Ask John Oxx.
SYT was deliberately held up as both trainer and jockey had expressed concerns about his getting the trip beforehand.
He came to have every chance but just wasn’t good enough at this distance (even on the very fast ground) and plainly isn’t the same horse he is over his specialist distance.I’ve monitored Aidan’s comments on So You Think and he’s never expressed concerns that SYT wouldn’t get the trip. You can argue that his concern is visible through his programming, but you can easily argue that he wanted St Nicholas Abbey to win a strong 12f G1 in the King George, and that one didn’t have the option of running at 10f. And your conclusion that he ran poorly (without consideration of how the track was riding) is an attack on the form of Sarafina, Snow Fairy, Meandre, and all horses with form close to them, relegating them below runner-up Shareta.
Although someone argues that Snow Fairy ran better than SYT in the Arc, I think I disagree with that. Snow Fairy got a decent break on him in the straight and seemed to labor at the finish, as SYT kept clawing back the margin.
How long will he keep him unbeaten? Avoiding the opposition at this time of year seems to indicated fear not confidence.By now he should be prepared to travel around the world.Sea the Stars had run in Ireland, England and France by the end of his second year.What is Henry afraid of? That a Galileo won’t get a mile and two? How will he find out? Ask John Oxx.
A typically ludicrous and one eyed post Andy.
Who is he avoiding? He is a miler and has faced all the best milers. Running in England, Ireland, France makes no difference. The best horses turn up to the best races. Frankel has turned up at all the main championship mile races and won them all.
Next year he will be stepped up in distance. Next year he will probably finish off in America. Sea the Stars was retired at 3. He never went to America. I dont care – he was a great, great horse and I give him the upmost respect for that. It is time you got over your dislike of Henry and all things English and do the same.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
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Presto
Quote by AOB in Sunday’s RP:
"He has never run over this trip for us, but we are
hoping
it won’t be a problem".
His jockey expressed similar reservations in a BBC interview on the day of the race.Also, dress the form up how you like, his Arc run was rated SYT’s worst performance of the season.
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