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Lingfield, I agree the decline had set in before he took over, and I agree with your later points about ownership base etc.
I could see DJ spreading his horses about more, this never used to happen yet he has had the occasional horse away in recent years I believe, since Cyfor Malta he’s not had a horse who could be genuinely considered top class, will be interesting to see what happens this season.
<br>Hobbs also operates a limit on how many horses any one owner can have in the yard and it’s set at four.
I reckon the dangers of having one owner dominant are obvious, but still hard to resist for an ambitious trainer. Apart from the risk of the main man departing, it can also deter other owners from joining the stable.
If you had one horse, wouldn’t you feel that your horse would always be a lower priority, especially if it came to a clash of two horses entered for the same race. The main man gets the stable jockey and you get the amateur or the conditional.
Go to the races and you can’t get any time with the trainer because he’s closeted in a private box with the main man.
Etc, etc ……..
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Paul Nicholls did a television interview and explained the reasons he and his then wife Bridget imposed a limit on the number of horses any owner could have it was set at 8 as far as I can remember.<br>There was some recent rumours that other Howard Johnson owners were upset as the Wylie horses were being seen as taking prefernce in the yard.<br>P. Hobbs does indeed a limit set as 4 horses any one owner can have in the yard at anyone time.
Quote: from Seagull on 1:06 pm on Sep. 6, 2006[br]Paul Nicholls did a television interview and explained the reasons he and his then wife Bridget imposed a limit on the number of horses any owner could have it was set at 8 as far as I can remember.<br>There was some recent rumours that other Howard Johnson owners were upset as the Wylie horses were being seen as taking prefernce in the yard.<br>P. Hobbs does indeed a limit set as 4 horses any one owner can have in the yard at anyone time.
ITs possible that some trainers as well as not beening able to resist the big money owner also may feel that its easier to deal with one owner then many.
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Quote: from Zoz on 11:31 pm on Sep. 5, 2006[br]Lingfield, I agree the decline had set in before he took over, and I agree with your later points about ownership base etc.
I could see DJ spreading his horses about more, this never used to happen yet he has had the occasional horse away in recent years I believe, since Cyfor Malta he’s not had a horse who could be genuinely considered top class, will be interesting to see what happens this season.<br>
Zoz, <br>Johnson sends some of his Pipe cast offs to Montieth in the north. Timmy Murphy recently made an infrequent visit there (Perth I think) and won on a couple.<br>Johnson also has a couple with Brendan Powell.<br>re. him having good horses, Well Chief was right up there until getting injured. Of the others Acambo, Celestial Gold and Our Vic are hit and miss performers which nonetheless are useful tools for a "new" trainer.
That’s the name I was thinking of, thanks Lingfield.
I don’t argue with your comments about current horses.
Well Chief was indeed up there and if he does not return to such form it will be the injury to blame, not a trailing failure one would assume.
Yet he was not a champion before his injury, unfortunately timed as it was.
And as you say, Celestial Gold etc, like Challenger Du Luc are hit or miss horses who are very useful for a new trainer indeed, but as I said, massive investment has not seen him own an Istabraq, Best Mate or Moscow Flyer standard horse. <br>
Please forgive me I thought this common knowledge:
http://www.cheltenham-festival.co.uk/article84.html
http://www.hri.ie/industry_info/address.asp
http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/pu … asp?ID=719
£296 million does have an effect. And I can just see Tony Blair congratulating our trainers in the unlikely even that we had ten winners at Punchestown. It is an absolute disgrace that Charlie Mann was never offered as much as an MBE for winning the Velka.
yes….there is money in Ireland in the rural communities because the Irish government have got everything out of the EEC they can for it; unlike the British government which continues to wage war against the countryside and animal farming.
Their continued support for hunting there for example has seen the hare protected in areas through incentive conservation. In areas where the farming has become arable industrial, so no hare coursing, the hare is declining rapidly. There are 7 species of hare in Ireland,<br>including blue hare which stand bigger than a small child….but they ONLY exist in areas which they are coursed….coursing protects habitats, and the greyhound body works hand in hand with the government conservation body to ensure this.
Of course the fact that Irish jockeys are hunting several times a week must also help their horsemanship; aswell as the horses jumping ability….even if it is only marginal ,<br>that can be the difference between victory and defeat.
The results speak for themselves….a wealthy government backed healthy rural economy with finance secured from the EEC , yes, a relatively wealthy owner base in part as a result,  and hunting supported at the moment, will continue to see Irish horses dominate.
Nobody can compete with that level of support.
Another reason to get rid of Blair. Maybe the Tories would be more likely to support the farmers and give them what they are due, get rid of the daft bureacracy of Defra, and see racing as one of our most important industries in terms of emplying people in real jobs that will always be labour intensive; reintroduce hunting, make urban councils do more for their adjoining  countryside  etc etc.
We cannot just keep relying on the generous support of a few top jumps owners to fund the whole business. Can you imagine the catastrophe if Johnson, Hales, andy Stewart etc just decided to move abroad or something? <br>I personally think that the government must address urban alienation from the countryside so you do not get a middle class wealthy elite with lots of money but no idea that they should be spending it on owning horses.:biggrin:
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