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I happen to agree with you that it is not Murphy’s fault but his position in the yard has gradually been eroded. Went he went there and he rode all those johnson winners he also rode quite a few of the other horses as well. Recently he has ridden mainly just for Johnson ( who I know is his retainer not Pipe) and AP and others have taken rides at Murphy’s expense.
I just see it that he will be made a scapegoat for the relative failure of Pipe horses this season. Time will tell.
I happen to think that Timmy is an excellent jockey but I dont think he is Mr Pipe’s cup of tea.
Ive been avoiding pipe horses all season. There was of course one glowing patch but you just sense that other trainers have caught up or gone past him. Whetehr its methods or motivation, i dunno but i sometimes wonder whetehr owner Dj will be thinking whether hes ever going to have a GC or KGV winner? Not even close
If Pipe is waning somewhat, this could be interesting
To be fair of course, hes been at the top of the game for ages now and hes not quite as young as a few others around
Fallonman, <br>Think that your last paragraph probably sums things up. It would appear that David Johnson is a Murphy fan but Pipe and many of his other owners prefer more aggressive and forceful rides from other jockeys. Owners pay the bills so are always right and if these people prefer McCoy or Johnson so be it. Not sure why anyone would want to put up Malone, Greene, Glastonbury or Scudamore ahead of Murphy though.<br>As I’ve said previously, should the partnership end in tears I have no doubt that Murphy would find suitable employment elsewhere.<br>Clivex, <br>The pipe yard fired as usual in November for that Cheltenham meeting but as basically been relatively in the doldrums since.Pipe is currently on the "cold" trainers list in the RP. <br>Some interesting questions:-<br>1. Will this season hasten the handover to Pipe junior and what fist will he make of it?<br>2. What does David Johnson make of it? Although he has a couple of horses with Brendan Powell who he presumably sees as an up and comer plus primarily Pipe cast offs with Montieth in the north, his best horses are all with Pipe. Does he want to continue to give centralised support to the yard? Losing Well Chief for the season was a big blow, but many of the Johnson performers seem in decline (Stormez, Control Man, Medison,Marcel) , inconsistent (Our Vic) or not championship class (Don’t Be Shy, Celestial Gold). Other than at the November meeting, the yard don’t seem able to lay one out for a big h’cap hurdle this season (I know the non Johnson owned one won at Sandown). More to the point there seems little new talent on the way up in the yard- no runner in the Triumph and few novice hurdlers of note.<br>3. Are the horses ill or just slow or on the wane?
Point that i forgot too there lingfield…where was the younger talent?
Watch this space i wuld say
Lingfield
I can confirm that I am a Timmy Murphy fan. What do I make of Pipe’s season? I guess you could say he was due a bad one. However it is only seen as bad because of the standards that the Pipe yard has set in the past.
Johnson horses are in a separate section of the yrad, The other horses ran well at chelt until end of race, but failed to show promise at finish. anyone who backs a pipe horse is mad. Would Basilea Star still be alive if he had been <br>withdrawwn, on the basis, of previous stable form?
Pipe has always struck me as a trainer who always sends out horses primed for their big race targets in the first 2 months of the season, but he makes the horse give it all at that point, and then fades into the background. I’ve never believed that he was really ‘capable’ of sending out horses good enough for Cheltenham unless the horse really had natural, brilliant ability (Well Chief).
Look at his one trick ponies – Therealbandit, Control Man, Comply Or Die (where is he now!?!), Contraband, It Takes Time, Our Vic (to some extent), Celestial Gold, Standin’ Obligation.
He ruins so many youngsters by running them too soon against quality opposition – Celestial Gold, Therealbandit, Gloria Victis.
The only time to really follow him and back his horses is the Open – after that, you may as well forget him. The only trainer I would want if I wanted my horse at Cheltenham, is Nick Henderson. This man is a proper trainer, and I don’t know why I didn’t follow him after his success at previous meetings. He throws up countless double-figure priced winners there, and is just generally brilliant.
On the face of it jackane, thats absolute rubbish. pipe has had plenty of cheltenham winners.
But if you are refering to the very top races, then yes, his seemingly short term outlook does appear to backfire. But theres been some bad luck too
There is no doubt that Martin Pipe is and has been at the top of the NH tree for some time.<br>In my youth Peter Walwyn was the toast of the flat. Pat Eddery was his stable jockey and everything he ran whether 2 year olds, 3 year olds or the trainers hack seemed to win. Then one day he had got the virus and it all stopped and he was never the same trainer again.<br>I just wonder if we are seeing something similar with MP and this is the beginning of the end of Martin Pipe’s dominance of the NH scene.
Quote: from Fallonman on 12:01 pm on Mar. 19, 2006[br]There is no doubt that Martin Pipe is and has been at the top of the NH tree for some time.<br>In my youth Peter Walwyn was the toast of the flat. Pat Eddery was his stable jockey and everything he ran whether 2 year olds, 3 year olds or the trainers hack seemed to win. Then one day he had got the virus and it all stopped and he was never the same trainer again.<br>I just wonder if we are seeing something similar with MP and this is the beginning of the end of Martin Pipe’s dominance of the NH scene.
Cetainly Walwyn and Eddery were a highly successful partnership in the mid 70s, the former being champion trainer and latter winning 4 jockeys titles when with Walwyn.<br>Walwyn showed tremendous loyalty to Eddery in appointing him stable jockey at 20 and standing by him in the face of criticism from the Wildensteins which led them to transfer their horses to Cecil. This is most unusual in racing – compare and contrast with Ian Balding and John Matthias.<br>Agree with you that viruses badly diminished the stable.It also had a highly respected head lad in Ray Laing and when he left to set up as a trainer in his own right it further damaged Walwyn.
Summer jumps wouldn’t be the same without seeing the occasional woofer from the Pipe yard.  Why do they train so many bad animals to win tinpot races?<br>Anyone see the Alikat race?
(Edited by Racing Daily at 3:21 pm on Aug. 7, 2006)
Alikat is a rather bad example, she isn’t a bad horse, moreso a poorly handicapped yet useful hurdler that has little scope for jumping fences.
On the wider point about why a lot of Pipe horses develop temperament problems, I think it could be related to his gallops. Although I have never seen them, I understand that they are very steep and it bottoms a horse by running up it so many times to get it hard trained as so many Pipe horses are.
Pipe & Co will train anything if someone wants to pay them.
I’m certain there is something in the training regime that produces a lot of dodgy performers.
:old: Pippy<br> has a very orthodox three piece suite<br> to sit and look at<br> a very large monitor for he calls SIS<br> framed in an expensive oak cabinet<br> and on the walls <br> you guessed it<br> DOGS !
fltcapgamble… If he had a manservant by the name of Wibble it<br>would<br> complete the picture :laugh:<br>
Hate to admit it but basically agree with DJ!<br>The Pipes have a 6 furlong uphill AW gallop which horses gallop up in repetition to get fit. Stable representatives are normally very hard trained.<br>It would also be fair to say that over the years the stable has acquired many "off the peg" horses from flat claimers and sellers in the UK and France which they get even fitter and eke a hurdle or two out of. By definition these won’t be the most genuine of types and usually sport headgear.<br>I’d also like to defend Alikat without rushing to back her next time! A 5 year old mare with hurdle wins at Ludlow and Taunton, she was running honourably without threatening in h’caps at the top tracks. Connections are left with no choice but to try to use the mares and age allowances to try to win weak early season small field chases at the gaffes even though she lacks scope. Today’s 3 runner affair at N Abbot on ground with "firm" in it at odds of 4/11 was typical of such races we have all come to know and love over the years!
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