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Didn’t Nicholls suggest McCoy and Cyborgo had carried out See More Business on purpose. I think the bad blood between the stables had started the year before when McCoy got off one of Nicholls (Flaked Oats) to ride Cyborgo one day.
Well spotted, GD – for some reason I was thinking about another 4yo Stewart had about the same time – the one that went to Nicholls after being with Georgie Browne, forget its name.
The original point still stands that if Nicholls and the owners were that concerned that the horse didn’t run again they should have foregone the £18k he sold for at the sales and forked out the £40 odd to make sure he didn’t run again before retiring him as a hack.
Since they didn’t do that they don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to what a horse does after being sold. I’ve come across this recently on other forums – people whinging about horses they sold at the sales, saying they shouldn’t be running now, or they’ve gone to a numpty trainer, or the new trainer shouldn’t be doing this with them they should be doing that with them, etc. I’m sorry but if you send a horse to the sales you have no right to moan and bitch about what the new owners do with the horse they have, after all, bought in good faith.
See More lost part of his hoof in the incident..I did think in retrospect that it was a blessing in disguise because his jumping was always a bit iffy and he probably came back an older and stronger horse the following season [still missed out a fence in every race, bless him]. I don’t think that Cyborgo was as badly injured as at first feared, but the jockey wasn’t to know that at the time.
Well spotted, GD – for some reason I was thinking about another 4yo Stewart had about the same time – the one that went to Nicholls after being with Georgie Browne, forget its name.
Phar Bleu?
What happens to the Wilson horses after they have their 5 minutes of fame?
Where are Contraband, Azulejo, Marble Garden, Turnium, Astonvile, Present Bleu etc now?
Blatently putting the horse’s (and jockey) welfare at risk would have been quite an obvious one….but heck if the owner wants to do such a thing why not!
Aiden, Why is running a nag, a real outsider, in any race a risk to welfare of other horses? Its a slow horse not an axe murderer!!!
Turnium ended up in Ireland and last raced about a year ago,not sure about the others.
Peddling back at Cheltenham is surely not a problem is it? Especially when they hit the straight. Not exactly the bend at lingfield is it?
Possibly not, but can one anticipate how soon, and whereabouts, in the race / on the course the falling back through the field is likely to happen? If Rippling Ring’s tank empties on the home turn and there’s four or five behind him all trying to save space on the inner right behind him, something stands a real chance of coming off badly.
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I really don’t think Rippling Ring’s participation is an issue here. He’s a immigrant horse who was a decent animal in his own country. It is perfectly possible he could improve dramatically at anytime and who’s to sayhe won’t run a decent race in the CH?
Could we say the same about Wilson’s nag?
There are hundreds of horses owners could run in the Gold Cup which wouldn’t see Cerium in their way.
The owners and trainers of these horses know it’s a waste of time and money. They also realise they would not only be unable to win they would be a hinderance to others.
This Wilson may have the right to run whatever he likes but so what? Does it change the fact he’s a nuisance, a complete idiot and has little or no repsect for what is thee race for the best chasesrs in the country?
Long before this thread started or PN said anything, someone mentioned this entry and I said something should be done about this clown.
Who had the horse or who sold the horse is totally irellevant. What’s important is protecting the status of the race and keeping people like Wilson out.
This isn’t a National Velvet film it’s real life and some people have put fortunes into racing to get to a stage where they have a horse who has a chance in a race like the Gold Cup.
They and other owners deserve some protection against any clown who thinks he can just enter anything with 4 legs just to say he has a runner.
The issue for me isn’t Rippling Ring’s participation, or Ceriums either. It’s that Nicholls wants to see a rule brought in to ban horses rated 139 or less in the Gold Cup but wants 136 horses allowed in the Champion Hurdle because it suits his own. It’s a further example of his arrogance that sees him think criticism of his horses should be stifled.
Just a point David. Denman 185 Binocular 173 are supposidly the best around. Should you not be allowing for the huge difference between the ratings of chasers and hurdlers before criticising the man?
What happens to the Wilson horses after they have their 5 minutes of fame?
Where are Contraband, Azulejo, Marble Garden, Turnium, Astonvile, Present Bleu etc now?
Sold on to good homes and / or sent point-to-pointing. Contraband was at Black Forest Lodge on the first day of the new amateur season last month.
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What has the range of ratings got to do with anything? Denman, at this point in time, is an exceptional chaser. Binocular, on the other hand, is a lesser known quantity and perhaps yet to show his best. Who’s to say he isn’t capable of improving on his rating? Should the minimum rating limit then be changed when the top-rated in either division gets better?
The issue here isn’t that supposedly sub-standard animals shouldn’t be allowed to run in showpiece races, but that Nicholls sees fit to criticise those when it is of no benefit to him. The belief he has in his own standing within racing is growing more evident by the day and it would seem that his arrogance knows no bounds.
Besides, running a lesser-rated pacemaker is surely a far more hazardous practice than allowing the participation of a horse who won’t be seen after the first obstacle?
Perhaps he should withdraw that monkey you backed in the Champion Hurdle and leave Rippling Ring in
It was a question mate not a statement.
Binocular is the highest rated hurdler is he not?
Denman is 12 ahead of Binocular which I would have thought pound for pound makes Rippling Ring a much better hurdler than Cerium is a chaser?
We have people on here are trying to say a back peddling hurdler is as much a threat to life and limb as a bad chaser in an attempt to justify them slagging of the man……….absolute garbage!!!!.
You are assuming he will be tailed off and a much as I think you are right, we don’t know that for sure..He could set of like a bat out of hell fall at the second and bring down half the field……and then what?….you and everyone else would say he should never have been allowed to run
PN is not being arrogant he’s being realistic,which is more than can be said for some on here.
Denman is 12 ahead of Binocular which I would have thought pound for pound makes Rippling Ring a much better hurdler than Cerium is a chaser?
Fist, according to the handicapper, Cerium is a better chaser than Rippling Ring is a hurdler. The respective official ratings of Denman (182) and Binocular (169) are completely irrelevant.
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