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I’m just hoping that I live to see another Labour Government but I would like to see someone with a bit more passion than Starmer as Prime Minister.
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“I would like to see someone with a bit more passion than Starmer as Prime Minister.”
I wonder if this partly explains the government’s gamble?
Starmer has been leader for over two years now and has struggled to make an impact. His personal polling ratings are consistently low.
I think the Conservatives are gambling on no matter how bad the situation might get, Starmer is not popular enough to get Labour a majority and perhaps not even make it the largest party.
It remains to be seen how it sorts itself out but I would not be in a hurry to take odds on about Labour winning the most seats. At the local elections in the spring, it only won a handful of seats outside of London. A lot has happened since then but Labour would have to perform a great deal better in a national poll if it is to become the largest party.
I will be voting Labour, but I won’t be betting on them to gain Most Seats at the Next Election – CAS makes sound logical points IMO.
All I’d say is there is a difference between suddenly having a right-wing PM just after Labour have been in power for 11 years out of the last 15 (1964-1979) at a time when trade unions had held a lot of power and the top rate of tax was 83%, and having a right wing PM after 12 years of Tory rule and 30 years out of the last 43.
The UK has already spent most of the last 43 years (a process arrested rather than reversed 1997-2010) moving steadily to the right.
I believe all political ideology has its limits and in the same way I believe perpetual socialism would have taken us inevitably towards communism I believe the Tories have been in power so long now their ideology is at its very limit and this gigantic further leap to the right may be too much for the country to bear.
The Mail is trying to sell it as a proper Tory government at last, but it’s a lot more extreme than that.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Starmer doesn’t need to be a song and dance man , he just needs to be the alternative to this Tory destruction of the country , we also need to remember all those who held there noses and voted Tory for Brexit won’t be doing the same this time , as I said yesterday it’s about to piss down and a lot of people don’t have an umbrella ….
Fair points in reply. As I said, a lot has happened since the spring but I would not like to make amy confident predictions right now.
It seems to me like the gamble the government is making is their measures will lead to economic growth to pay for it. That is always a huge gamble.
The historical precedent is the “Barber Budget” during Edward Heath’s government. That gamble failed and did not end well for the country or the government.
The General Election afterwards produced an indecisive result. Could history be about to repeat itself?
I certainly don’t envisage any Blairesque 1997-style landslide for Starmer in 2024.
I’ve taken to watching old political footage on YouTube lately and though many may disagree Starmer just isn’t in the same parish as Blair in his hey day.Blair had something about him back then, a bit of an edge, Starmer’s a decent enough bloke but he’s ten years older than Blair was then, a lot more boring and doesn’t seem clear on what he stands for half the time.
2024, despite Truss and Kwartang’s worst excesses these next two years, has “Hung Parliament” written all over it in my book.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"‘The Mail is trying to sell it as a proper Tory government at last’
In a sense it is, yesterday was great for the 1% and a middle finger to the rest of us. How any ordinary person looks at that yesterday and still thinks this lot are on their side I have no idea.
I’ll happily vote Labour if they’ve got a chance of beating the Tories where I live but it looks like it’ll probably be Lib Dems who are most likely. Such is the nature of our ‘democracy’.
North of the border we are collectively sick as parrots having
to put up with a Tory party which has just moved from the far
right to the almost out of sight right.You’re never going to get a Tory party voted for in Scotland
and we now have the additional problem of the SNP going to
head to the next polls as a singular policy party, for
Independence.Labour have been so ineffectual that Scotland gave up on them
years ago. This next election has put the Scottish People behind
the 8 ball. Many vote for the SNP because they want Independence,
probably the majority, and many vote for them as their party of
choice but don’t want to break up the Union.I don’t believe this government gives a sh*t about Scotland.The
comment by the PM aimed at Scotland’s First Minister “an attention
seeker is best to ignored”. We are part of the UK and it’s made made
clear that we are to be ignored. If Truss thinks that’s showing
herself as a powerful leader, she might have made many of the undecided
think, well there is no point staying with this extremest government.I’m actually quite sad it has come to this but what hope would there be
for Scotland under this regime. At least if it were in our own hands, we
we would make our own decisions. At least we already have a top rate of
tax of 46% for anyone with an income of £150,000. I think if we are “best
ignored”, the time has come for Scotland to manage their own affairs.The PM hasn’t used that kind of language about any other leader (Putin
aside). It’s an insult to Scotland and I’m offended.I don’t know why the Tories are so against Scottish independence BigG. Take you guys out of the equation and we’ll be stuck with them forever.
But as you say they are also quite happy to stoke anti Scottish sentiment. They are a truly nasty bunch (the Tories, not the Scots obviously).
Of course the majority of English people don’t vote Tory either but due to the unique nature of our ‘democracy’ that doesn’t matter.
During the Leadership campaign, even as a non-Conservative, it’s only natural to try to find one you like.
Tom Tungendhat perhaps, or Penny Mordaunt, they seemed the more moderate ones on paper.
But I couldn’t really find anything to like about either of them – not a trace of a social conscience.
The days of the Kenneth Clarke-type Tory seem to be over.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“we now have the additional problem of the SNP going to
head to the next polls as a singular policy party, for
Independence”If you are sick of The Tories then vote Labour.
Tell the SNP voters who vote for the SNP NOT because of independence, but because they like their Socialist policies to vote Labour instead.
It is pretty obs if they have a brain cell between them.
Many Scots have been totally taken in by SNP promises, even if they dont believe in independence.
The SNP, as a govt, are failing, but Scots still blindly follow.Stop whinging and do something about it. The more Labour MPs there are in Scotland the greater the chance of a non-Tory government in Westminster.
Richard said “I don’t know why the Tories are so against Scottish independence”
Erm, because they’re an Unionist party. Simple really.
Until as recently as the 1960s, the Conservatives were officially referred to as the Unionist Party in Scotland.
I was only thinking during the late Queen’s final journey from Balmoral to Edinburgh that Unionism was overwhelmingly dominant politically and culturally at the start of her reign. I wonder how many people would have envisaged it in such retreat by the end of her reign and with Nationalism so dominant?
It is interesting how times change. When the SNP won about 10 seats in one of the 1974 elections, they were denounced as “Tartan Tories”!
For a Unionist party they are sure as hell doing their best to destroy it. They’ve drawn a border in the Irish sea, constantly put Scotland down and don’t give a s*** about Wales either.
Actually I don’t think they care about much of England but they at least pretend to.
“For a Unionist party they are sure as hell doing their best to destroy it. They’ve drawn a border in the Irish sea, constantly put Scotland down and don’t give a s*** about Wales either.
Actually I don’t think they care about much of England but they at least pretend to.”
Emotional claptrap.
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