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  • #145591
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    Well I think the likes of John Quinn will be delighted with that result. He already fancied his horse a lot, now he’ll be praying the ground comes right for him. Bound to improve from his last run and with doubt about Noland having retained the toe he showed 3 years ago Tidal Bay’s jumping a bit iffy he could be the one that all have to beat…..I of course want Tidal Bay or Noland to win but as I said before Noland ran I am not confident.

    Did someone say Noland was a talking horse? can’t be arsed llking back……….that’s not a staement you make about Cheltenham winners he a bit more than that……..If todays race was indeed a ffst run race I would be happier simply because he has proved he can lie up with the pace and that may have been the object of the excersise as far as PN is concerned……If he has retained his ability to quicken I am pretty sure he could be way too much for them at Cheltenham…..nothing else has ever shown the turn of foot he has/had….these 3 horse races, that is what it turned out to be, are famous for horses being flattered (Think Kicking King) I wouldn’t be too concerned with the form……..It’s more than likely the second wouldn’t get near in a proper race

    Time will tell

    #145612
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    Fof

    It was me who said he was a hype horse, which he is in respect of the Arkle, as he showed today. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a good horse, just that he needs further.
    Is this the famous turn of foot you are referring to;

    In touch, pushed along 4 out, soon lost place, not fluent next, 5 length down 2 out, 7 length down and under pressure last, strong run run-in, led last strides

    because on that form alone (his Supreme Novice win) he is unlikely to have the pace for an Arkle.
    The horse that was challenging him at the 2nd last today (Psychomdo), is also a 2.5m horse, yet could still muster enough pace to put Noland under duress today and, poor field or not, there will be faster horses, putting him under more pressure, in the Arkle

    #145613
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    Well Reet me old buddy I was basing half of what I said on the fact our co memeber Bullwark said that PN said he was Cheltenham fit for todays race.

    Now I read in the Spoting Life website that the horse was no where near fit and it was either have racecourse gallop or run him today after a setback.

    Remind me to wring his neck :lol:

    They are also saying exactly what i said that they are happy he laid up with them or words to that affect.

    Ruby goes on to say he wants a faster pace and he’s the horse you would want to be riding at Cheltenham.

    I rspect your point of view but if it’s ok I will take Ruby’s as golpel as I do have a conisderbale bet on him and I will sleep better tonight if I do :lol:

    These Novice chasers are never easy to work out at the best of times. :wink:

    #145619
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    Read that on Nicholls slot on teletext the other day, nicholls even said in the article below that he that he was in "tip top shape", the betting on him also indicated that more was expected today, if sportinglife report now says that isnt the case then there something wrong somewhere…

    Arkle hotpot Noland runs at Sandown

    Published: 21/02/2008 (Sport) Lee Mottershead
    RACEGOERS at Sandown tomorrow are set to see a Cheltenham Festival favourite in action after Paul Nicholls last night announced Arkle Trophy market leader Noland an intended runner in the track’s 2m novice chase, writes Lee Mottershead.
    Nicholls had been considering both the Sandown race and Saturday’s Pendil Novices’ Chase at Kempton, but Sandown was always the preferred option for the 2006 Supreme Novices’ Hurdle hero, who trades as short as 11-4 favourite for the Irish Independent-sponsored Arkle after his winning chase debut.
    Nicholls said: "John Hales is very keen to get a run into him on an undulating track, so we have wanted to run him at Sandown. Andrew Cooper says that he has put water on the track, and after what he has told me the horse is an intended runner.
    "He’s in tip-top shape now after picking up a bug at Folkestone. If we get him to Cheltenham in top shape, I’m sure he’ll be the one to beat."

    #145662
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    Bullwark talks sense here.

    Noland is going to be better suited to the hurly burly of Cheltenham but it will not be enough for him to win.

    4-1 best priced Noland is still silly – I completely agree that it is the bookies that cut him moreso than punters forcing them too.

    He was way too short before Friday’s effort and as I and many others have expressed he will be too slow for the Arkle.

    I much prefer Tidal Bay at 10/1.

    He is a classier beast and possesses tactical speed.

    Zip

    #145756
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    Glad to see that Psychomodo is ok, was a horrible fall.

    Leslingtaylor looks a good bet in my opinion for the Arkle.

    #145758
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    Think the horse could lack experience for Cheltenham and is no value at the price.

    #145760
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    Think the horse could lack experience for Cheltenham and is no value at the price.

    Leslingtaylor? ? ?

    #145762
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    Sorry Gaz’s I was referring to Noland :oops:

    #145766
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    Sorry Gaz’s I was referring to Noland :oops:

    No problem.

    The same could apply to Leslingtaylor which would be the only doubt in my opinion, but apart from that, the horse does look a good prospect at a decent price.

    #145794
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    Glad to see that Psychomodo is ok, was a horrible fall.

    Seconded. There is a picture in the Post, amazing shot but it looked like a sore one!

    I still struggle to see why Noland is so short for the Arkle. He has beaten very little in the way of quality over fences so far (My Petra is rated 128) and it has been said all along (his trainer included IIRC) that he needs further than 2m. It may be argued that his short price is due to his corresponding hurdle win 2 years ago, for which the form has worked out nicely, but I’d be far more inclined to summise that it is in fact because of the P F Nicholls beside his name on the racecard.

    #145984
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    I think Noland’ll walk it. Like to stick my neck out sometimes.

    But I also quite like the form of the ex-French horses, Big Buck’s and Kruguyrova.

    #146000
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    Read that on Nicholls slot on teletext the other day, nicholls even said in the article below that he that he was in "tip top shape", the betting on him also indicated that more was expected today, if sportinglife report now says that isnt the case then there something wrong somewhere…

    Arkle hotpot Noland runs at Sandown

    Published: 21/02/2008 (Sport) Lee Mottershead
    RACEGOERS at Sandown tomorrow are set to see a Cheltenham Festival favourite in action after Paul Nicholls last night announced Arkle Trophy market leader Noland an intended runner in the track’s 2m novice chase, writes Lee Mottershead.
    Nicholls had been considering both the Sandown race and Saturday’s Pendil Novices’ Chase at Kempton, but Sandown was always the preferred option for the 2006 Supreme Novices’ Hurdle hero, who trades as short as 11-4 favourite for the Irish Independent-sponsored Arkle after his winning chase debut.
    Nicholls said: "John Hales is very keen to get a run into him on an undulating track, so we have wanted to run him at Sandown. Andrew Cooper says that he has put water on the track, and after what he has told me the horse is an intended runner.
    "He’s in tip-top shape now after picking up a bug at Folkestone. If we get him to Cheltenham in top shape, I’m sure he’ll be the one to beat."

    Yo Bull what PN said and what you in toiur first post said are miles apart. You said the horse was in Cheltenham winning form now,,,,,,,a statement made by PN about Master Minded.

    What I read from what PN said is the horse is very well and this race should put him right, if he comes out of it ok then we will have time to get plenty work into him and get him bang on for Cheltenham.

    The only thing wrong is you saying something that was clearly way off the mark.

    However no harm done, the most important thing is that they know he can lie up with a decent pace and if he does come out of the race ok we will see a different Noland at Cheltenham when he will be 100% fit.

    If he is within 3 lenths of the leaders about 2 out i just cant see anything outstaying him

    #147907
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    well hello peeps soz i havent given much info lately but have been in spain withn the showjumpers since beginning of feb, on way home now nobby is fit and well so bare with me till tues til i arrive back in england for the latest as still in france at min, roll on nobby…………………..;-) x

    #147916
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    Could do with somthing to boost the confidence. I backed the horse at 16/1 and now he is 3/1 fav……..how come I don’t feel anymore confident now than I did 2-3 months ago? :cry:

    I honestly think he’s a shockingly bad price for what he has done over fences so far……hope he wins but far from confident and glad I also had the insight to back Tidal Bay when he drifted.

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