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The race was run in such a way that capable hold up horses were always going to come to fore
McCoy made sure HE didn’t get easy time and this helped those out the back, but to say Sublimity was lucky is over the top
You still need to have the ability to run the leaders down and this is what Sublimity and Afsoun did
The way the race was run also cost Iktitaf his chance, when he was asked for the extra effort, the pressure he came under causes the mistake
Straw Bear probably burst because of the pressure the race exerted on him, Asian Maze, Detriot City floundered because of this and their lack of ability
To win and place in Championship races like the CH you need to be able to travel at speed and jump at speed.
The only horses that were capable of doing this were those that filled the first four places and If you want to call these type of horses lucky then do so, but imo you would be making a big mistake as they do possess ability
Anyway thats my take on last years CH
Champion Hurdlers of the last 15 years –
Only two horses have won the Champion having not won their previous race –
Granville Again (1993) – LTO 3rd in Christmas Hurdle (G1)
Hardy Eustace (2004) – LTO 2nd in Red Gala (G2)
Hardy Eustace only lost a short head giving away 13lb to winner.Regarding FOF knocking of Hardy Eustace – couldn’t agree much more strongly. A festival winner 3 years on the trot, beating a very good (IMO) bunch of Irish hurdlers in the 2nd win especially. A Cheltenam Legend for me.
The race was run in such a way that capable hold up horses were always going to come to fore
McCoy made sure HE didn’t get easy time and this helped those out the back, but to say Sublimity was lucky is over the top
You still need to have the ability to run the leaders down and this is what Sublimity and Afsoun did
The way the race was run also cost Iktitaf his chance, when he was asked for the extra effort, the pressure he came under causes the mistake
Straw Bear probably burst because of the pressure the race exerted on him, Asian Maze, Detriot City floundered because of this and their lack of ability
To win and place in Championship races like the CH you need to be able to travel at speed and jump at speed.
The only horses that were capable of doing this were those that filled the first four places and If you want to call these type of horses lucky then do so, but imo you would be making a big mistake as they do possess ability
Anyway thats my take on last years CH
Lucky or not he was handed the race on a plate and Hardy Eustace ran no sort of race and it certainly wasn’t a ferocious gallop……he was beat 3 from home and Afsoun is best described as a boat. You must surely consider the actual outcome and what happened to each and every horse………..none of the expected ran any sort of race the best in the country were not involved. Detroit Iftikar and Straw Bear……….had the 123 been Sublimity Dertroit City and Iftikar then I would say he won a Champion Hurdle and not a farce….If you don’t consider all you you could say Sublimity beat Iftikar he must be a good horse and just ignore the fact Iftikar fell when looking the most likely winner……….guess we just have different ways of looking at things
Afsoun is overpriced at 100 on BF if the plan is to run him in the CH.
Fancy him to beat Staw Bear this weekend..
Champion Hurdlers of the last 15 years –
Only two horses have won the Champion having not won their previous race –
Granville Again (1993) – LTO 3rd in Christmas Hurdle (G1)
Hardy Eustace (2004) – LTO 2nd in Red Gala (G2)
Hardy Eustace only lost a short head giving away 13lb to winner.Regarding FOF knocking of Hardy Eustace – couldn’t agree much more strongly. A festival winner 3 years on the trot, beating a very good (IMO) bunch of Irish hurdlers in the 2nd win especially. A Cheltenam Legend for me.
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Some legend mate you must be about 20 years old no offence but the horse was beaten 24 times or thereabouts….very ordinary horse.
Istabraq was a legend, Night Nurse, Persian War, Hatton Grace, Sea Pigeon, Moksfield
Look way back to Bula who won 21 on the trot before winning two champion hurdles………You witnessed a very bad era but that’s ok because when you see a real horse next year you will know what legends are made of and I am not talking about Sizing Europe. You do not become a racing legend because you string 3 winds together and then lose 4 on the trot even if one of them is a Champion Hurdler……….how many people talk about Macic Court Suacy Kit Flakey Dove Beech road or For Auction these days……they have slipped from peoples memeories because they simply weren’t that good…………HE is already there in most peoples minds.
I think i said Cheltenam legend, but why let the facts get in the way of a patronising rant?
FOF
..had the 123 been Sublimity Dertroit City and Iftikar then I would say he won a Champion Hurdle and not a farce.
The thinking above shows your limits of not being able to read what has happened in a race, how good or bad that race was and the limit you have in determining which horse has the best ability to win a race
Champion Hurdlers of the last 15 years –
Only two horses have won the Champion having not won their previous race –
Granville Again (1993) – LTO 3rd in Christmas Hurdle (G1)
Hardy Eustace (2004) – LTO 2nd in Red Gala (G2)
Hardy Eustace only lost a short head giving away 13lb to winner.PC
Likewise only Brave Inca & Istabraq have gone on to win the CH after winning the AIG.
Also in the last ten years only Rooster Booster has run in a handicap in the same season before winning the CH although I think in the mid 1990’s Collier Bay,Flakey Dove and Make A Stand all ran in hcaps before winning what you could say were average champion hurdles
I think i said Cheltenam legend, but why let the facts get in the way of a patronising rant?
Yes but you also said you disagreed with me about the horse and I wasn’t talking only about his achievements at Cheltenahm……..btw all the horses I mentioned are not only legends in their own right they are also Cheltenham Legends……….you must be easy pleased mate if you think for one minute Hardy Eustace will even be remebered as anything other than a fairly good Chelteneham horse……he simply isn’t the stuff that legends are made of……….and stop being so friggin nippy your the one that’s talking rubbish matey
Afsoun is overpriced at 100 on BF if the plan is to run him in the CH.
Fancy him to beat Staw Bear this weekend..
Trouble is Andrew, you can’t back him until you’ve seen him parade, going down and milling round at start
He’s a good horse imo, but the fretting etc before race costs him dearly
Point taken – differing trends can be used to be selective about a personal selection.
I will be interested to see the previous AIG winners (will check shortly), but wouldn’t be too perturbed by the handicap statistic. Sizing Europe seems to fit the ‘vastly progressive’ profile of such examples you referred to as Make a Stand and Rooster Booster.
I’m not sure if he’s waiting for Aintree or not, but 66’s about Al Eile (previous run = Leopardstown Christmas Hurdle winner) would look very nice should he line up.
Point taken was directed at Aaron.
FOF – How many horses win at three consecutive festivals?I think i said Cheltenam legend, but why let the facts get in the way of a patronising rant?
Yes but you also said you disagreed with me about the horse and I wasn’t talking only about his achievements at Cheltenahm……..btw all the horses I mentioned are not only legends in their own right they are also Cheltenham Legends……….you must be easy pleased mate if you think for one minute Hardy Eustace will even be remebered as anything other than a fairly good Chelteneham horse……he simply isn’t the stuff that legends are made of……….and stop being so friggin nippy your the one that’s talking rubbish matey
IMO i would also say Hardy Eustace was a cheltenham legend 3 years on the trot aint bad 2 of them Ch’s also the Fact about his original Jockey Kieran Kelly’s Accident gives his story something special….in my opinion that is
Afsoun is overpriced at 100 on BF if the plan is to run him in the CH.
Fancy him to beat Staw Bear this weekend..
Trouble is Andrew, you can’t back him until you’ve seen him parade, going down and milling round at start
He’s a good horse imo, but the fretting etc before race costs him dearly
Agree. That’s why perhaps a trip to Sandown is in order
Do you know is he being aimed at the CH? Seems like they have never had a plan with this horse this season.
Ain’t got a clue Andrew tbh, better asking in or having a gander at BF Ante Post/Cheltenham forums.
I suppose the race at weekend and how he goes will play a part in his Cheltenham target
Is there a good chance that the CH this year will turn into a bit of a farce pace wise?
Maybe I’m being naieve, but surely connections of Osana can read? All the dangers to the horse in the race are guaranteed to be better off a fast pace, allied to the fact that the horse went off like the clappers in the county last year and was beaten coming down the hill.
Regardless of any improvement he has shown since then, this has the makings to me of HE’s first victory in the race when everyone was so scared of setting the race up for Rooster Booster, that they went very sedately and HE nicked it under a very canny ride.
Is there any other horses likely to be up there from the off? And although I only have vague memories of the race, didn’t Osana come from off the pace in the Greatwood?
It’s all about Penzance for me!
Just my thinking APH, but i don’t think you can get a proper angle on the likely Pace until you know who’s deffo in it and who’s deffo not
For once, FOF, just for once, get off that high horse and stop telling people how it is…or at least how it should be.
By all means offer an opinion, but do so in a non-patronising manner and without trying to make everyone else sound as though they know nothing.
Reading your self-righteous, contrived drivel gets incredibly tedious at times – most other people can express themselves without effectively calling those with differing views mindless idiots.
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