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Facts? What facts?
Your opinion isn’t necessarily factually correct, no matter how many times you repeat it.
And where does the memberships ultimate darling priti Patel fit in with your obsession? Do you ever think things through? Even a little?
Ffs.
Try looking at the past polls on Tory voters and memberships re Patel and sunak.
How many more times ??
Yes of course. He topped polls by huge margins because tory voters and members are racist and hate “people of colour” as you stupidly state over and over
“this argument really gets on my goat.”
I’d say it’s more of a fact than an argument.
The English language evolves – that’s why we don’t speak and write the way Shakespeare did.
As long as we can understand each other, that’s actually all that matters.
Like most people of our general generation and age, we think of correct English being the English we were brought up with.
Shakespeare would disagree.
Anyway, getting back on topic, if Rishi Sunak isn’t a right-wing Tory he will, to paraphrase Damon Runyon, do until a right-wing Tory comes along.
As for racism in the Tory membership, I’m sure an element of it still exists.
But they care about wealth and winning more.
In the eyes of a Tory member the difference between the Asian guy working in the kitchen at the excellent Lahore Kebab House in East London and a mega-wealthy Asian family is a gaping chasm.
And if the polls tell them they might win with Sunak they’ll elect him.
But my right-wing Tory radar seldom lets me down – that post-Thatcherite lack of compassion oozes from the fella’s every pore, and that will be laid bare in a general election campaign.
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There is nothing at all unusual about MPs from different parties being on friendly terms. Mrs Thatcher was friendly with Eric Heffer, despite being just about as far apart on the political spectrum as it is possible to be.
Look at how Michael Portillo and Diane Abbot used to giggle away together on “This Week”.
Jess Phillips is friends with Jacob Rees Mogg!
All the shouting at each other is mostly theatre. It is all a big game to a lot of these people, like the games they played at university.
Churchill once said that in the House of Commons the Opposition is sat in front of you and your enemies are sat behind you. Plenty of people have found out that is true over the years.
CAS is absolutely correct and I can tell you it doesn’t sit at all well with many observers on the left of politics.
For the Tories, in a sense, it IS all a big game, the worst that can happen if Labour get in is taxes go up, share prices don’t perform as well, two holidays a year might become one, cars aren’t changed as frequently – no one DIES.
But ask many firmly on the Left, especially up North, and they will claim Tory policy, especially in the area of the NHS, KILLS people.
They could be wrong, but that’s not the point – that’s what they immovably believe.
For the Left, it’s never a game – it’s life or death.
And there will be members of Momentum etc screaming at Abbot for so much as speaking to Tories socially.
That’s where left- wing venom comes from, that’s why you hear remarks like “scum.”
It’s not pretty, it’s not nice, it might not even be appropriate or logical, but it’s hate for a reason (a reason in their heads anyway).
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Thatcher actually liked and admired kinnock I believe
Teresa may was close to tessa Howell and was a strong admirer of Diane abbott
Reading too much polictical stuff perhaps there are three figures who are charismatic but no one in the village seems to like or respect.
Boris
Farage
Livingstone
She did a good job of hiding it. She made about one reference to Kinnock in her memoirs and it was dismissive. It was about his long winded and poorly received speech after she had been forced out of power and she said something like he could always be relied on to strike the wrong note.
I think (not believe) that Tony Benn used to drink in the same pub as Enoch Powell.
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysJohnson’s government was allegedly Right wing but, in reality, it wasnt. Sunak’s initial reputation soared because of furlough, but he got stuck in tax and spend mode in last 12 months, pushing overall tax burden to highest since WW2.
What’s needed now is tax cuts, esp to Corporation tax and a policy that fully utilises GB’s pos outside the EU. Incentives and tax breaks to attract large foreign businesses pitched against Europe. Make our islands more attractive for business.
So, Sunak? Nope. Tories need to distinguish themselves against Labour.
Wilts
Businesses are more concerned about availability of labour and access to markets than corporation tax which is easily managed away by overseas concerns
So where do we stand on those two factors?
I’m euro sceptic but we have not and cannot easily make this an attractive place for investors
And how long do we drive up the deficit for?
It’s all very well for endless tax cuts to be called for but there has to be some management
It never ceases to amaze me that so many prominent Conservatives seem more worried about upsetting a few vocal activists and people on Twitter, instead of listening to the 14 million people who actually voted for their party last time. Why do they so crave the approval of people who would rather choke themselves than ever vote Conservative.
Thinking about it, the party has taken a risk. It might not be popular to say it here but I think Johnson was probably much more liked in the country than he ever was in the Westminster bubble or in the press rooms.
Whatever anyone thinks about his character and morals (and I do not like him at all), he does have a habit of winning elections. He won two London Mayor elections – the only Conservative to have ever done so. He arguably made the difference in the Brexit referendum. And he won the Conservatives their largest majority since 1987, with the Conservatives winning seats they had either not won for years or had never won before.
I realise it is not a Presidential system and people are voting for their MP not the government or Prime Minister – but it is not credible to say that national issues and the leadership have no influence on the result.
Now the Conservatives are committed to going into the next election under the leadership of someone with no winning credentials. It is a gamble, maybe one the party had to make – but it is not guaranteed to succeed.
Penny will never be PM
and I won’t say why – but it
shrieks at me !
Sunak has the best crud
if the press can leave him alone.He’s cut the strings
Ben is a safe pair of hands
but lacking the pizazz
Tom is the stalking horse.
I am very green on this event backing those horses,
and even tickled the Attorney General at 60 ( is that an offence ?). But only
small beer as they all try to
START AGAIN !
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