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"So, a bet is made or struck, whatever, and in the recent case won at 2/1, should it have been coupled with a 2nd selection as per a normal double 3 points or pounds in this case would go forward to the 2nd selection and if it wins you collect, end of bet."
I, personally would only bet 2 points on the second selection.
Therefore, if the second selection loses your betting bank stays the same – you haven’t won anything but, more importantly you haven’t lost anything.
Regards- Matron
I like your thinking
Matron
and it is something I considered today and as it happend would have been the correct thing to do.
MrE
makes reference to preserving his profit and am in truth in favour of this approach or the other tactic of when a large field betting each way.
This whole concept is new to me and as yet have to find my personal "comfort zone". Today I have played the bets as if they were doubles making both selections at the same time. Only time will tell how things end and is the joy of starting all these ideas with small stakes and then no great damage or harm can ever be accomplished.
In the past when trying fresh (to me) systems I have adhered 100% to the rules but with age sometimes comes a little wisdom and slowly I am starting to understand this does not always have to be so and it is possible to adapt any system to suit your own ideas.
I do think I did this with
Formath’s
ROLLING YANKEE stating I was not comfortable rolling ALL the winnings forward which may not have matched the ideal or target aim of the concept but suited myself.
In conclusion I am not stating you are right or wrong in keeping your bank in tact because no one wants to make you do what you may find uncomfortable and am pleased you have an opinion which although I did not comply with I did in fact agree with.
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Monday looks to be a quiet betting day for me.
Naps table Multi
(Final leg for ROCKAVON)
Leicester 3.30 SWIFT CHAP £1 @ 13/2 SkyBetRolling Doubles
4th and final selection for Postadata before a revision.
Kempton 2.10 DIAMOND TWISTER £1 @ 6/1 SkyBetFormcast Doubles
With only one selection to make the cut I have decided to play as a "rolling double"
Kempton 2.40 CAYMAN SKY 25p ew @ 10/1 Bet365Darrell’s 2/1 non Handicaps
I am still not quite sure how to play this bet, checking my morning papers (not Racing Post) I found 3 to qualify, being: –
RACY 1.20 Lingfield, TACTIC 3.00 Leicester and BRADDOCK 4.40 Kempton however on checking available prices (Odds Checker) all 3 fell below 2/1, however BRADDOCK was just available with Betfair at 21/10 but the £2 minimum left me out.On reading the bet structure it looks as if the providing forecast is the guide and NOT price available?????
BRADDOCK 4.40 Kempton has moved out to 2/1.
£1 Coral
3 Vs The Field
No selections
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A muddly ol’ morning but am hoping for the best.
The Rolling Multi
The start of a new sequence with Derek Brown who is showing 2 on the bounce and maybe "HOT" as
Formath
says. However a little caution and going ew.
4.10 Yarmouth TOO TALL £2 ew @ 5/1 P PowerThe Rolling Doubles
as yet to be mastered by me but Glendale is todays man again with 2 on the bounce and so he is the
chosen one
to give a little run.
4.10 Yarmouth RACING HERO £1 @ 13/8 Stan JamesFormcast Doubles
3.40 Yarmouth MONTE MAJOR 8/1
1.30 Catterick PARKS PRODIGY 13/2
4.30 Catterick TARTATARTUFATA 8/1
3 x 25p ew doubles Bet365
3 Vs The field & 2/1 Non Handicaps
No selections
Now for a little fun with the newly posted
In Form Distance
1.30 Catterick SIMPLE JIM 7/2
4.30 Catterick THE HISTORY MAN 5/1
2.10 Yarmouth LANDOWNER 1/1
4.10 Yarmouth RACING HERO 6/4
6 x 25p win doubles with Paddy Power£1.50 down the toilet
This proved no fun at all
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The Rolling Multi
Today’s selection via Derek Brown is a non runner
A Rolling Double
via Glendale: –
3.05 Musselburgh CALLISTO MOON £1 @ 7/1 Wm HillFormcast Doubles
3.15 Nottingham OURS 12/1
7.20 Kempton GOURAY GIRL 4/1
7.50 Kempton SHAKE ON IT 15/2
plus: –
*2.45 Nottingham OUTLAND 7/2
6 x 20p ew doubles with Stan James3 vs The Field
2.10 Nottingham
NICKEL SILVER, BRAVELY 7/2, MAGICAL SPEEDFIT 6/1
2.45 NottinghamLOST
9 x 30p win doubles with Bet365
*
Today’s experiment
which if wins will become part 1 of a rolling double
2.20 Haydock TAE KWON DO £1 @ 5/4 Wm Hill*I was about to start an experiment with Formcast of selecting the 4 largest forecast s.p’s as a possible replacement to the 4th fc fav because selections have been a little thin on the ground of late and this way I can guarantee 4 to make 6 doubles. As it happend 3 were the formcast 4th favs anyway so I have today added one more selection.
*Todays experiment, is yet another hy-brid of suggestions made via this thread with a little extra of my own to find one per day: –
Search Sporting Life web site overnight for all fc favs with a price close as poss to 2/1 (above or below) then check all possible selections for a match with the race VERDICT below the card and then make the final cut with the one which is closest to 2/1 and back regardless of price (which may not be as big as 2/1 as per today).If it bomb badly it’s shelf life will be very short.
It is experimental as all searches tend to be but I feel the Rolling Double bets require a high strike rate in order to succeed and make the most of shorter prices and as yet am not too happy with progress made from current methods.
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The Rolling Multi
with Derek Brown: –
6.30 Wolverhampton COJO £2 x 13/8 Bet365Rolling Doubles
with Glendale: –
3.10 Lingfield SIROCCO BREEZE £1 x 7/4 LadbrokesFormcast
(largest) no 4th fav selections
2.50 Stratford SKIPPERS 100/303.50 Stratford KINKEEL 5/1
7.00 Wolv’s GAILY NOBLE 4/1
7.30 Wolv’s FREDA’S ROSE 14/1
6 x 25p ew doubles Wm Hill
3 vs The Field
No selections
Sporting Life experiment
Wolv’s 6.00 DANIELLA de BRUIJN £1 x 13/8 Bet365
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Sporting Life experiment
1.40 Uttoxeter TANKS FOR THAT £1 @ 11/8 P Power
Rolling Multi
Derek Brown
3.35 Newmarket HIMALYA £1 @ 3/1 Bet365Rolling double
Glendale (at last a win to roll with)
3.15 Wetherby TRUMPSTOO £3 @ 11/4 S JamesFormcast doubles
3.25 Uttoxeter DOVEDALE 11/4
4.05 Newmarket SPIRIT OF ADJISA 9/1
4.15 Wetherby SYCHO FRED 6/1
6.20 Wolv’s AL RAYANAH 12/1
6 x 20p ew doubles S James
3 vs The Field
3.15 Wetherby: –
TRUMPTOO, MOHANAD
, RAVATI 15/2
9.20 Wolv’s: –
LA GIFTEDBEAUTIFULL FILLY 7/2, LABISA 10/1
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Sporting Life experiment
Ayr 1.40 COLLATERAL DAMAGE £1 @ 2/1 S James
Rolling Multi
Derek Brown
Newmarket 2.05 INFIRAAD £1 @ 9/2 LadbrokesRolling Double
Glendale
Wetherby 2.55 OLLIE MAGERN £1 @ 11/4 Ladbrokes3 Vs The Field
Newmarket 2.05 SECRECY
INFIRAAD 7/2 SWOP 7/2
Wetherby 2.20 MY PETRA 7/2 TREATY FLYER 7/2 SERPENTARIA 4/1
9 x 35p win doubles Bet365Formcast 4th’s
Ascot 12.45 TAKE IT TO THE MAX 10/1
Ayr 3.20 BOTHAM 10/1
Ascot 3.35 ROYAL WEDDING 7/1
Kempton 6.35 PURUS 7/1
Wolv’s 7.50 WHITBARROW 8/1
10 x 20p ew doubles Bet365
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November 1
The start of a new month can be a good time to revaluate how things are going and make changes if required.
The Rolling Double
The selection process is poor and is obvious the Naps Table is not the place to find high strike rate selections. So starting today the Sporting Life 2/1 idea will be given a run, it found a winner yesterday and £3 from the returns will be used to wipe out losses so far and the balance (75p) will be added to todays stake.
Lingfield 2.30
JADALEE
£1.75 @ 7/4 Coral
The Rolling Multi
Again the same thought process with regard to selection finding requires a better strike rate than current method and so as from today the Sporting Life shortest odds idea will be given a run along with a minor staking change, starting with £3 then £2 reducing to £1 and then another £1
Carlisle 2.05
KILLYGLEN
£3 @ 1/1 P Power
3 vs The Field
The race finding method could not find any selections today but will run without any changes.
Formcast
never on a Sunday, as ratings are not available. However changes are afoot. Perhaps the old maxim regarding not fixing what does not require mending etc. comes to mind but again it is not every day where 4th+ favourites can be found and despite being the most profitable method of the group some tinkering is at hand. Various ideas have been flirted with but off forum results yesterday forced it into contention and deserves a run. Forecast favourites which are top rated by Formcast will be the only ones to be considered with the largest quoted starting prices are to be chosen to make 3 – 4 – 5 cross doubles with prices taken from the Mail.
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Rolling Double(s)
2.20 Plumpton YOU CAN OF COURSE £1 @ 11/4 Totesport
Rolling Multi
3.05 Kempton DUC de REGNIERE £2 @ 2.37 Betdaq
Formcast Fav’s
2.05 Wolv’s TESSLAM 2/1
2.40 Wolv’s WHIPPERWAY 5/1
3.15 Wolv’s VAMOS 9/4
4.50 Wolv’s SPARKAWAY 5/1
6 x 25p win doubles Bet3653 vs The Field
2.40 Wolv’s
TAPER JEAN GIRL 9/2
WHIPPERWAY 9/2
POINT de AVIGNON 7/13.15 Wolv’s
*VAMOS 9/4
HERECOMETHEGIRLS 6/1
TRUE DECISION 10/1 Non runner
9 x 25p win doubles Bet365*ERROR
only after placing the bet I realised there is a 5/2 minimum price stipulation
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. . . . hey ho a couple of winners yesterday and a little jiggling with a couple of the stakes.
Rolling Double(s)
2.40 Catterick NORTHERN BOLT £2 @ 2/1 Bet365
(return yesterday £3.75 of which £1.75 taken to clear current loss)
Rolling Multi
2.10 Catterick CONO ZUR £3.30 @ 7/4 ToteSport
(return of £4.60 yesterday after comm. and divided by 2 and added to both the remaining sequence stakes)
Formcast favs.
3.10 Catteroick LORDSHIP 3/1
3.20 Kempton THUNDERSTRUCK 4/1WON
3.40 Catterick BRUTON STREET 5/1
WON
4.00 Exeter SUPREME KEANO 4/1
6 x 25p ew doubles Bet3653 vs The Field
3.40 Catterick
WON
, TIME BROOK 4/1, COTILLION 11/4
5.20 Kempton
WON
, ROCK ANTHEM 7/2, SUPPORT FUND 9/2
9 x 25p win doubles Bet365 Nice profit + £4.50
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Rolling Double
mission accomplished yesterday and so it is restarted with: –
3.15 Chepstow ANOTHER DISPLAY £1 @ 15/2 VCRolling Multi
final leg of this sequence: –
2.15 Nottingham ALEXANDROS £3.30 @ 4/5 PPowerFormcast favourites
the best forecast prices fell to 3 or 5 selections today: –
12.40 Nottingham VILNIUS 4/12.40 Chepstow PRINCE NOORA 5/1
7.20 Kempton KING OF LEGEND 3/1
7.50 Kempton AGE OF REASON 7/4
8.20 Kempton SILENT ACT 2/1
10 x 25p win doubles Bet3653 vs The Field
2.40 Chepstow
PRINCE NOORA 5/1, GABRESELASSIE 7/1,FORTIFICATION 9/1 WON
9.20 Kempton
BRIANNSTA 10/1, MISTER JINGLES 9/2,DANCING WELCOME WON 11/2
9 x 25p win doubles Bet365
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Take a bow on your 3 v the field!
A winning double (paying £15 to 25p) and in the 9.20 at Kempton you hit a tricast! Tricast paid £304.21!
Will try to keep on the roll for THURSDAY
Rolling Double(s)
Unable to split 2 selections today so will back both: –
1.20 Haydock RIPTIDE £1 @ 6/4 S James
3.40 SONNY MULLEN £1 @ 1/1 Bet365
Rolling Multi
New sequence starting today with stakes 3.2.1.1
4.10 Haydock LAST OF THE BUNCH £3 @ 5/2 Bet365Formcast Favs.
1.10 Lingfield LOCATION 9/2
2.20 Lingfield HELLBENDER 6/1
2.55 Lingfiels RIVER KIROV 3/1
2.40 Towcester WOLF MOON 7/4
6 x 25p ew doubles Wm Hill
3 vs The Field
1.55 Haydock
COE 4/1, QUEWS LAW 4/1, FRESH AIR AND FUN 9/2
1.10 Lingfield
VINCES 4/1, LOCATION 9/2,9 x 25p win doubles Bet365
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A major problem with "system players" should they incorperate a betting forecast within the rules is just how unreliable they can be.
As an example my Rolling Double selections are made from horses as close to 2/1 as poss. in the betting forecast.
RIPTIDE was 2/1 and so was SONNY MULLEN
My Rolling Multi selection is made again from the same betting forecast and is required to be as close to 1/1 but not less than.
LAST OF THE BUNCH was forecast 11/10
All 3 were as near perfect as possible but looking at the early prices this morning I thought I had managed to "cock it all up" after making the bets when I noticed all had been turned upside down.
RIPTIDE fcSp 2/1 available 6/4 [SONNY MULLEN FcSp 2/1 available 1/1
then . . .LAST OF THE BUNCH FcSp 11/10 available 5/2
What on earth is one supposed to do?
My personal MO is to stick with the plan, if the rule is to run with forecast prices I do so and don’t change my mind . . .
famous last words!
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Bets for Thursday
Rolling Doubles
2.40 Fontwell JUMP JET £1 @ 1/1 Wm Hill
Rolling Multi
2.00 Southwell ANGIE’S NAP £2 @ 10/11 Wm Hill
Formcast Big Favs
1.50 Hexham ETOILE D’OR 9/4
3.30 Southwell SALEROSA 4/1
5.50 Wolv’s TITUS GENT 5/1
9.20 Wolv’s METAL GURU 11/2
6 x 25p ew doubles Wm Hill
3 vs Field
No selections
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