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Hello,
1.15, Cheltenham, Chase,
Approaching the second last, HOOPY’s jockey, Mr McKeown? appeared to ask King Harald’s jockey for his whip.(he had dropped his whip earlier in the race) It again appeared that the said jockey gave him the whip. Using this assistance Hoopy was driven home up the hill pipping Alexanderthegreat.
I backed HOOPY, and was very concerned at, what I saw a proper objection to the winner. I could not believe it that the result stood!!!
How can obtaining, with or without the other jockey’s consent, an article mid race, not be breaking the rules??
Without that whip it is unlikely HOOPY would of won. His error early race, he lost his whip, so tough. But to acquire an advantage later on in the race, by disadvantaging another competitor, is surely against the spirit of the sport and the actual regulations.
OK, KH was beaten, but how on earth could his jockey ride him to his best position without his whip??I am happy, I got paid out, but a very, very weird decision by the stewards…
regards,
doyley
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Do you go by the name ‘Graham Cunningham’ by any chance, doyley?
No rules were broken – in fact, it was impressively resourceful – so how can the decision to let the result stand be anything other than correct?
The regulations surrounding the running of cross-country races are far more contentious however…
………I ask again, if no rules were broken, why did he receive a two-day ban?
Would that not be implying that every time a rule was broken, the horse was thrown out, Col?
If McKeown had been banned for two days for using the whip with excessive frequency would we be asking the question?
I’m personally in two minds about this one; whilst I commend McKeown on his initiative, I can’t help but feel that he did gain an unfair advantage.
Couldn’t agree with Cunningham’s argument on RUK. Thought Ted Walsh put him right.
Jason McKeown broke no rules. King Harald was well beaten so any comparison with the Piggott incident in France has no real relevance. Best horse won the race in my opinion.
Lester got a 20 day ban for nicking a whip of some Frenchie……..he’s done well this lad……. I think Lester said "He wasn’t using it anyway" Not the most serious offence in the world and 2 days is plenty……..Lester told them to go, you know what, themsleves which never helped his case.
The winner should have been thrown out imo, but if there is no rule applicable to the actual incident that happened you can hardly blame the stewards for not doing so can you?
Don’t see how it isn’t relevant with respect Peruvian.
Surely we all want to see the best horse win every race and the best horse does win this race. No breach of the rules occur. At no stage does Hoopy interfere or hamper Venetia Williams’ horse and it’s not as if Jason McKeown takes the whip off the rider on the second. Donal Devereux was hardly going to be needing his whip either.
We’re all entitled to our own view and that’s what makes this game great, but I can’t see what the fuss is about here.
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Whether or not it should be allowed, it certainly doesn’t fall under Graham Cunningham’s apparently liberal banner of cheating. Some sports allow participants to share equipment (speedway, for instance) and some don’t (golf, as per Mr Cunningham), but in any case it is specified in the rules – that doesn’t automatically make the action unreasonable.
Is there not a case, in light of this, to have whips somehow attached to a rider’s hand so that they can’t actually be dropped? You obviously then have the possibility of getting it caught during a fall, but a simple ‘quick release’ mechanism (similar to that which cuts the throttle on a speedway bike when a rider falls) would surely solve that?
Interesting to see if they make a new rule on this. In this case King Harald was beaten and the jockey gave up his whip freely. However under these rules (or lack of them) I presume the result would have stood if he’d taken the whip of another jockey by force. That can’t be right. It will need to be reviewed.
I’m sure some of TRFSs more knowlegeable readers can correct me, but having backed the second, I do feel a little be agrieved to be honest.
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Good initiative if you ask me
Surely the rules have to be the same for everyone in a race not dependant on how many "mates" you have riding with you in it who you can "borrow" a whip off. Shouldn’t be too difficult to introduce a rule to cover this sort of thing, after all the French had one in place 30 years ago to disqualify Piggott.
I’m sure the Cheltenham stewards could have disqualified Hoopy if they had wanted having classed the riding as dangerous.
2 days seems very light.
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