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Why is on the line everything bad about racing?
Again i think its good for racing, interraction from the bottom to the top, last year people where able to phone in and speak to rich ricci directly, what other programme allows such an insight into the background of a sport, speaking to owners etc,
Not really an example of it here maybe but Chapman is definitely on the missing list when it comes to horse welfare as is clearly evidenced by his intolerance to any discussions involving a reduction of use of the whip in Racing.
Rather have Chapman’s comments than this self righteous twaddle, WFTW.
Might as well have said, “I care more about horses because I don’t want the whip to be used so much”, ye right. How the four-ex do you think you know about what Chapman does or thinks about horse welfare?
If the racing “whip” was called a “feather” there’d be no problem with it. it’s a tool that used correctly is safe; unlike those solid things this beautiful animal lost his life jumping. We’ve had enough debates about the whip both on here and on ATR.
Get real. If you feel that strongly about a “feather”, then sign up to ban National Hunt Racing.
…And if that sounds harsh, just think what you’re accusing Chapman of.
He’s celebrating a winner, not celebrating the death of a horse.
His comment might be an ill-judged one, but that’s all. No need to shoot the guy.
Value Is EverythingLove chappers. Not as good on ITV but he’s top class on at the races “on the line” is such a good show.
I’m terms of attutide he does care about horses an regularly pays tribute to Horses.
It’s not always your first instinct to think of another horse when you’ve tipped a winner but overall everyone on here cares.
But to get offended by every little thing is just too much for me. How is there even a thread on this?
To be honest if things as small as that get to you you’re going to have stress related health problems if you don’t already mate.
I don’t know. Didn’t hear this particular comment, but he’s not a presenter I like much. Too full of himself.
I think it was on that horrible 28th December day when we lost so many horses that he was offering condolences to the connections of The Dancing Lord at Lingfield and he sounded almost gleeful about it. Sincerity was nowhere in sight. He may say the words, but I’m not sure how much he means them.
No hesitation here in believing that as far as the whip is concerned Chapman regularly complains about whip bans taking the shine off the result of big races as in he doesn’t think whip bans should occur.
I’m in the John Francome camp which favours banning the whip.John McCririck puts it in a nutshell that ‘hitting an animal in the name of sport’ is just wrong.
Anyone is entitled to a different opinion as to what they think the effect of the whip is but the appearance at least of horses being hit with whips is second only to fatalities in races in terms of being the worst aspect of the sport…..However,for the hyper defensive amongst you or those in plain denial of the facts this opinion is actually a world away from believing the sport should be banned.
That’s the point, WFTW.
You are against a feather tool encourager even when used correctly…
…And yet you’re for running horses straight at those big fences that kill many horses every year.Value Is EverythingThats a fair way to put it and i fully agree
So the whip should be banned but making a horse jump over a massive obstacle putting massive amounts of pressure on there bodies is ok, seems a very very flawed arguement,
How many horses die in the stalls in comparison to how many die being whipped? BAN THE STALLS
Thought Oliver Sherwood summed racing and the loss of horses up beautifully the other day…
“I’ve seen a lot of comments about today’s racing and a lack of enthusiasm for some of the results.
I totally agree …there are so many days when I could walk away from this wonderful sport, my heart has been broken lots of times in the 30 years I’ve been training….not least last January.
But….. we have to get everything into perspective, the horses you/we adore have the most amazing lives, if we looked after people in the same way as racehorses are treated the world would be a better place.Every time I want to give up I look at the exciting youngsters I have, they are so full of life and fun, each with their own personalities…….what would life hold for them without racing…they would never even have been bred..
Racehorses live, racehorses die but at least they die with dignity….we’ve all got friends that we wish could be afforded that same privilege.
We need to step back from the Disney culture and realise life is tough for all…..we should have the utmost respect for these beautiful animals but also for each other …..”
Comforting words from Oliver Sherwood Zamorston and they certainly helped me put into perspective what has happened over Christmas with the loss of so many horses and of course the loss of Many Clouds on one of the most heartbreaking days ever.
I think Matt Chapman should digest every single word that Oliver Sherwood said and show a little more humility to the wonderful horses who keep him in employment…Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Thats a fair way to put it and i fully agree
So the whip should be banned but making a horse jump over a massive obstacle putting massive amounts of pressure on there bodies is ok, seems a very very flawed arguement,
How many horses die in the stalls in comparison to how many die being whipped? BAN THE STALLS
Not only that, ham.
More horses die through hitting themselves on stable walls – Ban the stables.
More horses die through their four legged mates in fields kicking out – Ban horses staying together.
More horses die through running around in fields – Ban the fields.Value Is EverythingAs regards to how well Oliver Sherwood thinks racehorses live, how would he like to be confined to a small stable for about 20 hours out of every 24.
There are very different sorts of whip use, properly used in a driving finish seems acceptable to me but a horse given hefty whacks when all reasonable chance of being involved has gone is not.
Seabird, another question I would ask is what on earth does Chapman dating my daughter have to do with this discussion?
I do agree with you questioning Sherwood though. He is hardly the most appropriate person to comment on such things, considering his livelihood. His words are not comforting, or beautifully put, and to suggest otherwise is to be part of that Disney world to which he refers. It is this Disney thinking that has allowed the nauseating and ghoulish ‘Many Clouds Movement’ to spiral out of control on those awful Racing Pages on Facebook, resultig in people leaving those pages in droves.
Back to the original point, Chapman doesn’t have to absorb Sherwoods bull, or apologise for anything. He hasn’t done anything wrong. It is that simple.
Colin, I would disagree strongly with that, and I think that any disrespect from Chapman tweeting and Chapmans disrespect towards females are two entirely separate topics. I would disagree to the point that the latter should not have been brought into the debate, but I thank you for your polite reply, as I am only too aware of how quickly these discussions on forums can disintegrate very quickly into mudslinging.
In these ‘metoo#’ days, unless you can back up the inference that somebody you name is a threat to any female, you might want to delete your post double quick or risk finding yourself in court.
Just some friendly advice. I have no axe to grind for or against Matt Chapman but I do know that the current feverish sensitivity is ruining whole careers for many in the public eye – and rightfully so when the cases are proven.
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