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Yes, I would he assume he was Eddie (referring to US standards). He was simply saying that HBO had employed higher standards than he was used to in the industry.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that our standards are mcuh more acceptable than many/most US States.
Not sure where you are going with this but the logic of your agument appears to be –
Cormack supports the whip rules
Two horses were killed during filming of ‘Luck’
Cormack likes ‘Luck’Therefore Cormack is a hypocrite.
Well Eddie, it’s a bit like watching a steeplechase where a horse dies. You accept it, very reluctantly I should say, as an unfortunate but largely unavoidable ‘cost’ of your entertainment. That’s the deal with the devil anyone who enjoys racing has to come to terms with at some point.
The whip is a different issue – I believe its use IS largely unnecessary and avoidable and that it required much closer regulation and use-restriction than it did under the ‘old’ rules.
That’s the crux of my viewpoint and, as I’ve replayed it on far too many occasions, I’d refer you back to some of the endless whip debates on here where all the arguments above are gone into in greater depth.
Not really cormack, just thought it was worthy of discussion when reviewing the programme, some people may not be aware like GT.
"eddie case" wrote: Don’t rate Dustin Hoffman anyway, he was dire in that Meet the Fockers, the only thing he was good in was Midnight Cowboy.
Ever watched Rain Man Eddie
Superb, Oscar-winning performance from Hoffman.
If only horses were as reliable as this forum
– nice thread about a new TV series asking what people thought of it hijacked into another argument about the whip debate within half a dozen replies – should digress into ‘value’ by page 3..Anyway, in answer to TP, this evening sees the 4th episode in the states and the first three are available on the internet but we don’t do that as it’s illegal, apparently.
DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU DON’T WANT PREVIEWS OF FUTURE EPISODES
Episode synopsii
S01E01 (pilot) 11/12/2011
Chester "Ace" Bernstein (Dustin Hoffman) is released from three years in federal prison, and met by his driver and bodyguard, Gus Demitriou (Dennis Farina), who fronts as the owner of the $2 million Irish horse that Ace just bought. A brilliant but disreputable trainer, the Peruvian Turo Escalante (John Ortiz), introduces us to their prized Irish thoroughbred, being examined by his girlfriend, track veterinarian Jo (Jill Hennessy). Meanwhile, veteran trainer-turned-owner Walter Smith (Nick Nolte) contains his optimism pinned on his promising "Big Horse" because he’s wary. Of what, we’re unsure, but we learn there’s a dark history and a shadow of scandal behind the horse. Four degenerate gamblers, Marcus (Kevin Dunn), Renzo (Ritchie Coster), Jerry (Jason Gedrick), and Lonnie (Ian Hart), meanwhile, are pooling their meager resources to bet Jerry’s hunch on the day’s longshot, a high stakes Pick Six winners contest.S01E02 05/02/2012
Chafing under his parole conditions but eager to move forward in the racetrack deal, Ace (Dustin Hoffman) shows off his famous temper during a contentious meeting with one-time colleague Nick DiRossi (Alan Rosenberg) and a possible investor, Isadore Cohen (Ted Levine). Although Marcus (Kevin Dunn) is wary about flaunting his newfound Pick Six wealth, his three partners have no such qualms, as Jerry (Jason Gedrick) sits in at higher-stakes poker games, Renzo (Ritchie Coster) sets his sights on claiming one of Escalante’s (John Ortiz) mystery horses and Lonnie (Ian Hart) parties with two unscrupulous women. Uncertain that fledgling jockey Rosie Shanahan (Kerry Condon) is seasoned enough to ride his once-in-a-lifetime horse, Walter Smith (Nick Nolte) enlists Ronnie Jenkins (Gary Stevens), ignoring the veteran jockey’s recent history of substance abuse.S01E03 12/02/2012
Ace enlists Nathan Israel (Patrick J. Adams), a cocky, young whiz kid, in his plans. Walter decides to enter his colt, Gettin’up Morning, in his first race, but loses Ronnie as his rider when the jockey takes a tumble. Burned by Mulligan (W. Earl Brown) at the claiming race, Marcus, Renzo and Lonnie send Jerry to buy the horse back – and then return him to Escalante (John Ortiz) to train.S01E04 19/02/2012
As Chan (Dennis Dun) challenges Jerry to his limits in a private poker game, Jerry’s pals look to pry him away from his gambling nemesis. Ace takes a meeting with Claire LeChea (Joan Allen), an activist who hopes to rehabilitate prisoners through their work with broken-down racehorses. He then visits his one-time partner Michael Smythe (Michael Gambon) to discuss his participation in Ace’s racetrack venture. With Ronnie out of commission and surrendering to old vices, Walter settles on Rosie as his jockey, but her euphoria is tempered by Leon’s (Tom Payne) not making weight.S01E05 26/02/2012
After learning that Pint of Plain, Gus’ (Dennis Farina) Irish horse, has been tentatively scheduled to race the next day, Ace forces Escalante to swap out Leon for a more experienced jockey, to Joey’s (Richard Kind) chagrin. Marcus fears for his health and wonders why he’s so attached to Jerry, while Kagle (Peter Appel), who’s been fired from the racetrack, returns from a bender looking for a handout. Ace gives Claire a lucky check, and the two head to the track with Gus to watch Pint of Plain’s memorable debut.S01E06 04/03/2012
Ace pitches his deal to buy a piece of the racetrack, while Smythe flips Israel into an informant; Joey’s depression turns lethal while Leon sweats his finish, as does Rosie.S01E07 11/03/2012
Ace and Claire tour a prison outreach horse farm; Jerry attempts to win his way into a poker tournament; Lonnie goes solo to claim another Escalante horse; Ronnie and Rosie vie for the same mount.S01E08 18/03/2012
Ace counters Smythe’s move with his own; Walter’s horse and Ace and Gus’ horse head for a major-race showdown; Leon’s loss ends up being Rosie’s gain.S01E09 25/03/2012
Two prized colts go head-to-head in a million-dollar showdown; Ace receives an unexpected visitor; Renzo’s mom joins the Degenerates to watch their horse in his biggest race yet.And that is season 1, complete. Following ratings and reviews HBO have immediately renewed the programme for a second series of ten episodes to begin airing next January.
Don’t rate Dustin Hoffman anyway, he was dire in that Meet the Fockers,
the only thing he was good in was Midnight Cowboy
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The Graduate?
Kramer vs Kramer? (Oscar)
Papillon?
Straw Dogs?
Marathon Man?
Wag The Dog?
All The President’s Men?
Rain Man? (Oscar)All rubbish!!
Mike
Don’t rate Dustin Hoffman anyway, he was dire in that Meet the Fockers,
the only thing he was good in was Midnight Cowboy
.
The Graduate?
Kramer vs Kramer? (Oscar)
Papillon?
Straw Dogs?
Marathon Man?
Wag The Dog?
All The President’s Men?
Rain Man? (Oscar)All rubbish!!
Mike
You left out "Tootsie". I saw him in the flesh playing Shylock years ago at The National. Amazing actor.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Don’t rate Dustin Hoffman anyway, he was dire in that Meet the Fockers,
the only thing he was good in was Midnight Cowboy
.
The Graduate?
Kramer vs Kramer? (Oscar)
Papillon?
Straw Dogs?
Marathon Man?
Wag The Dog?
All The President’s Men?
Rain Man? (Oscar)All rubbish!!
Mike
You left out "Tootsie". I saw him in the flesh playing Shylock years ago at The National. Amazing actor.
Most of them were a good few years ago, what’s he done more recently to reflect his current efforts, which is why I mentioned The Fockers, he didn’t play comedy well unlike De Niro.
Them Oscars don’t mean anything, the daddy of all actors Kirk Douglas never won an Oscar for a performance but Nicolas Cage did
OMG – so Number 8 actually did break a leg as shown in the first episode????
No, absolutely not, that was a CGI effect. According to the US press, the horses who died both broke down whilst being filmed racing. The footage of both incidents is not being used.
Mike
Personally, I loved it!
It’s got potential. The pilot was basically a remake of " Let It Ride " with a couple of storylines thrown in.
The horse racing footage is typically cliched and how quickly did he pull that horse up ??!!!!!!Surprisingly realistic and entertaining, but the endless f-words spoiled the thing. Hope it’s not going to turn into The Sopranos.
Plot was a bit impenetrable too. Sack the sound man – it was hard to know what most of them were saying.
I enjoyed it, obviously early days and I’m sure the plot will thicken. But certainly promising and from an excellent stable in HBO
Surprisingly realistic and entertaining, but the endless f-words spoiled the thing.
Endless f-words is being realistic, this is horse racing we’re talking about.
I didn’t think it was realistic, Miss Woodford. I thought the language sounded bogus and contrived.
We don’t use such words in our house (quite an achievement, I think, having brought up five children) but I have heard plenty in the course of my work.
Living in Scotland, and having worked in racing for over 40 years, I know what realistic bad language sounds like, believe me!
Plot was a bit impenetrable too. Sack the sound man – it was hard to know what most of them were saying.
I struggled to follow it too. Everyone seems to speak too fast amd mumble, specially the Mexican(?) guy. Tried putting the sound up but then had my ears blasted off by the "background" music.
Not a huge fan of flat-racing, particularly American so, unlike most of you, I have to give it the thumbs down.
Never knew it existed until now but found it on Torrentz so I’ll have a look when I have time. Love anything Dennis Farina is in so should be ok.
I’ve was trying to get my head round Spartacus Vengeance which is crap since poor Andy Whitfield died and John Hannah departed so this could be a bit more enjoyable hopefully.
Never knew it existed until now but found it on Torrentz so I’ll have a look when I have time. Love anything Dennis Farina is in so should be ok.
I’ve was trying to get my head round Spartacus Vengeance which is crap since poor Andy Whitfield died and John Hannah departed so this could be a bit more enjoyable hopefully.
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