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Noel Fehilly on Western King – never wanted to win. Ridiculous.
Last time – made all, jumped well, job done.
Today – ridden out the back. Never put in the race. On the final circuit, Fehilly was motionless and detached by 4 or 5 lengths. Then, amazingly, decides to ride the horse approaching the end of the far side. Stays on for third.
Should be in the stewards room because the difference in tactics was obvious.
Noel Fehilly on Western King – never wanted to win. Ridiculous.
Last time – made all, jumped well, job done.
Today – ridden out the back. Never put in the race. On the final circuit, Fehilly was motionless and detached by 4 or 5 lengths. Then, amazingly, decides to ride the horse approaching the end of the far side. Stays on for third.
Should be in the stewards room because the difference in tactics was obvious.
Oh ffs, not again!
What race were you watching Mark?
The standard of race reading on this forum these days (with a few exceptions) is utter crap!!!
In a race where there were 4 horses who’s previous performances suggest they like to lead or race prominently; with at least 2 you could say NEED to lead to show their best…
What was Fehily supposed to do Mark!?
Make sure he got the lead and go off at too strong a pace? May be he should’ve been out on his feet at the last too? Qulinton’s jockey increased an already strong pace and paid for it at the last; where the one dropped out last came through to win. Inside Dealer doing well in the circumstances, tracking pace from the start. Lord Lescribaa dropped away having made the early running.
Yes Mark, Western King is best able to get an easy lead. But with many other front/prominent-runners in the race today… He was highly unlikely to get an easy lead – in what was always likely to be a strongly run/overly strong pace. So connections must have (QUITE RIGHTLY) decided to hold the horse up this time. We know the horse likes to see what is in front of him, which is why Fehily went wide early. But when Qianshan Leader also went wide – Western King found himself behind horses and DOWNED TOOLS! Nobody could say Fehily was easy on the horse, with several cracks. After which Fehily did very well to get his mount back in to contention. At the last fence only just behind the winner Life Of A Luso…
Anyone backing Western King today should (if studying the form book well enough) be perfectly aware of all the other front/prominent runners in the race – so perfectly aware there COULD be a change in tactics. If someone then wants to take the chance and back the horse, that’s up to the punter concerned Mark!
Just do not go casting aspersions on the jockey/connections integrity!
And if anyone thinks I am being hard on a fellow TRFer, tough! Just think of what is being implied here.
Value Is EverythingDon’t use my name like that, GT. That condescending tone of yours like you’re a teacher talking to a child is all over the forums.
You’re ability to disagree with everyone even when everything on view supports what they say…Just think of what is being implied here.
Yeah, cause we all know every horse ever ridden is there on merit with connections always trying 100% to win a race…
Oh hang on, we know that’s not true.
Just don’t bother.
Don’t use my name like that, GT. That condescending tone of yours like you’re a teacher talking to a child is all over the forums.
You’re ability to disagree with everyone even when everything on view supports what they say…Just think of what is being implied here.
Yeah, cause we all know every horse ever ridden is there on merit with connections always trying 100% to win a race…
Oh hang on, we know that’s not true.
Just don’t bother.
So just because there might be some skulduggery within the sport of racing Mark, you think it is ok to pick on Fehily for stopping the horse, when it is xxxxxxx obvious to anyone with the slightest (repeat SLIGHTEST) knowledge of racing – what happened…
You call in to question an innocent man’s integrity Mark, yet moan about my "condescending tone".
It’s not "condescending" mate, it is much worse than that, and certainly not the "tone" of a "teacher".
Go back, look at the form of the other horses in the race and then watch the race again Mark. Your earlier assessment is nothing like what happened.
Value Is EverythingI’m no expert peer mediator but I can see MarkTT’s frustration at
Western Kings
ride at Newton abbot the other day,I can also see why Ginge gets animated everytime a ride is brought to our attention.First and Foremost ‘Western King’ is a horse to avoid,his form suggests a sulky character and we all hate those sorts! He’s won 2 races from 16 starts and has developed into a 3m staying chaser,he looks slow and is no natural at jumping fences,connections obviously feel he’s too slow to continue over hurdles and for a mere 6yo he’s certainly not been given time to develop.MarkTT is quite right in bringing to our attention the
strange
tactics of his last ride as his penultimate run over C/D clearly showed improved form when allowed to make all in a respectable time.What is significant to this ‘Professional eye’ is the fact that ‘Western King’
just so happened to be on his lowest ever mark of 107
when making all,however he was raised back to 115 for it afterwards and that is this horses level,I doubt the handicapper will budge from 115 after yesterdays ‘Held up’ performance but I cant see the horse winning anything better than a grade 4 anyway.I can see a couple more ‘light runs’ as we call them in the trade and a return to Newton abbot to contest another lowly run 3m chase off his winning mark of 107 sometime in the future,it maybe a couple of years down the line but thats what keeps horses in training,I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see him make all either!
Hope this helps. Fehilly unquestionably does nothing to improve the horses position for some time though. Then starts to ride more vigorously, uses the whip etc so the horses finishes. Maybe he’d given up then decided he could still get a place…
We often see trainers or jockeys comments when a horse shows improved form, with the reasons given that it was the tactics / different distance / different ground. I very, very rarely see connections have to give reasons why completely opposite tactics were used the next time the horse runs.
Fehilly unquestionably does nothing to improve the horses position for some time though. Then starts to ride more vigorously, uses the whip etc so the horses finishes. Maybe he’d given up then decided he could still get a place…
We often see trainers or jockeys comments when a horse shows improved form, with the reasons given that it was the tactics / different distance / different ground. I very, very rarely see connections have to give reasons why completely opposite tactics were used the next time the horse runs.
Because it is obvious why a change of tactics happened Mark.
Western King got a soft lead when winning, no other horse took him on.If he’d been the only obvious front/prominent runner in yesterday’s race and did not front run – THEN you could be angry/ask questions Mark…
But yesterday connections knew there were 5 horses in the race who liked to race prominently. 3 of those produce their best when IN FRONT (need to lead). Only one horse can ever lead a race. Western King’s connections knew they were not going to get a lead or (if making sure of leading) knew they’d have to go at too fast a pace. Therefore, connections made the decision to hold the horse up and race wide, with as clear a view as possible of each fence. Hoping he’d be ok.
Another in the race who runs his best races from the front was Strumbles Head. His rider could not lead either and dropped back on the inner, half way back. Surrounded by runners, he ran abysmally.
Value Is EverythingI can ask questions now thanks. Don’t need your permission and you’re only giving your opinion with no insider information.
Western King won a race before which featured other front or prominently ridden runners.And i’ve asked you to stop using my name like that in posts. You’ve quoted me, it’s obvious whom you’re addressing
If only this place had an ignore function. I won’t be replying again.
I can ask questions now thanks. Don’t need your permission and you’re only giving your opinion with no insider information.
Western King won a race before which featured other front or prominently ridden runners.And i’ve asked you to stop using my name like that in posts. You’ve quoted me, it’s obvious whom you’re addressing
If only this place had an ignore function. I won’t be replying again.
Yes, it is you who I am "addressing" Mark, that is why I am using your name.
I have used your name in a far better way than you have used Noel Fehily’s. It is you Mark who said
Noel Fehily "never wanted to win".
Noel is not on this forum and deserves to be vigorously defended.
You’re right Mark, you do not need my "permission" to express an "opinion". But if you’re going to say something that could land both yourself and TRF in court – then you better make sure you are expressing something more than a stupid "opinion".
You should have some
evidence
if you want to call a jockey’s integrity in to question Mark.
Please Mark, take another look at the race. If you still think Noel should have been in front, get your stop watch out and time the sectionals. You’ll see the pace was not even. Those in front in the first three quarters of the race went TOO QUICKLY.
Value Is EverythingDon’t worry Mike … er, i mean Mark. Diabetes.
Mark, you deserve to be vigorously defended.
(does anyone else hope Mark isn’t your real name?)
I think there is a danger of actually taking these kind of things too seriously. The forum is not a courtroom and should be used for posting opinions rather than obtaining some sort of long-winded ‘I am a better poster than you’ conviction.
I haven’t seen the race in question but I think Noel Fehily is one of the better jockeys, for instance I would have him as quite a bit better than Daryl Jacob. Having said that he does at times produce some questionable rides – there were couple of all-weather bumpers last season where I thought he was too wide and too far back to be competitive.
Whatever, I don’t think threads like this are likely to be career ending for any jockey.
I should have added if there is actually any danger of legal action against the Forum then presumably it should be down to the moderator to actually do the moderating?
I can ask questions now thanks. Don’t need your permission and you’re only giving your opinion with no insider information.
Western King won a race before which featured other front or prominently ridden runners.And i’ve asked you to stop using my name like that in posts. You’ve quoted me, it’s obvious whom you’re addressing
If only this place had an ignore function. I won’t be replying again.
Yes, it is you who I am "addressing" Mark, that is why I am using your name.
I have used your name in a far better way than you have used Noel Fehily’s. It is you Mark who said
Noel Fehily "never wanted to win".
Noel is not on this forum and deserves to be vigorously defended.
You’re right Mark, you do not need my "permission" to express an "opinion". But if you’re going to say something that could land both yourself and TRF in court – then you better make sure you are expressing something more than a stupid "opinion".
You should have some
evidence
if you want to call a jockey’s integrity in to question Mark.
Please Mark, take another look at the race. If you still think Noel should have been in front, get your stop watch out and time the sectionals. You’ll see the pace was not even. Those in front in the first three quarters of the race went TOO QUICKLY.
You %$#&*@* hypocrite how many times have you insinuated that an Australian trainer has used steroids on a particular horse defaming them without any evidence! Now you get on your high horse about someone else, FFS! Black Caviar, Atlantic Jewel, So You Think and any ******* horse who has won over there, you have inferred that about all of theses horses in past posts!!!
I have NEVER said Black Cavar, Atlantic Jewel or So You Think’s Australian trainers have done anything ILLEGAL Jollyp.
STEROIDS were perfectly LEGAL in Australia.
All I have said is those Australian trainers have probably done everything WITHIN their rules to maximise their chance of winning. I would not expect them to do anything else.
It is NOTHING like what Mark is saying here Jollyp.
Value Is EverythingJollyp,
Australian horses have been able to use steroids
legally
in Australia and then come to Britain and race. These steroids are by then undetectable, but the experts believe the advantages of steroid use (muscles etc) remain in its system for up to 6 months. These Australian horses were running against European horses who
can not
use steroids
legally
. So what I have been against is Australian trainers having an
unfair advantage
.
Press release by the Australian Racing Board:
Monday, 16 September 2013
In a watershed moment in the history of Australian racing, Australian Racing Board (ARB) has today announced a total ban on the use of anabolic steroids both in and out of competition.Anabolic steroids as synthetic derivatives of the male hormone testosterone promote protein synthesis, muscle growth, red blood cell production, tissue repair after stress and injury and appetite to meet demands for additional nutrition.
Currently in Australia anabolic steroids are only prohibited in horses on race day but the new ban will apply to all Thoroughbreds from the age of 6 months with that period allowed in the interests of animal welfare.
“The ban on anabolic steroids goes far beyond any other racing jurisdiction outside of Europe and was decided by the ARB Board after lengthy consideration of veterinary and scientific advice and consultation with trainers’ and owners’ associations," ARB Chief Executive Peter McGauran said.
"The ARB has adopted a zero tolerance policy to the use of anabolic steroids in competition, training and spelling and will institute heavy penalties for breaches of the ban.
“Foremost in the Board’s consideration was the need for absolute integrity and public confidence in racing. Although the use of steroids has greatly diminished over the years to the point where they are rarely relied upon by trainers, the ARB believes it is in the best interests of the industry that they no longer be available for any purpose other than as a therapeutic treatment for young foals," Mr McGauran said.
“Racing is a sport and as such must be a test of the ability of the individual horse, its trainer and rider and not of the pharmacologist, veterinarian or sports scientist.
The true spirit of competition means that no-one gets an unfair advantage which anabolic steroids can confer in certain situations.
"A new Australian Rule of Racing will be introduced on the 1st of November with the ban taking effect from 1 May, 2014 thereby giving six months for a treated horse to be free of anabolic steroids," Mr McGauran concluded.
So your Australian Racing Board have conceded Australian horses could have had an unfair advantage by using steroids legally Jollyp.
Value Is Everything
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